Conversation: 032-009
Prev: 032-008 Next: 032-010Start Date: 22-Oct-1972 8:23 PM
End Date: 22-Oct-1972 8:41 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rogers, William P.;Recording Device: White House Telephone
NARA Description:
On October 22, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone from 8:23 pm to 8:41 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 032-009 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 32-9
Date: October 22, 1972
Time: 8:23 pm - 8:41 pm
Location: White House Telephone
The President talked with William P. Rogers.
Dinner
Vietnam
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s previous talk with the President
-Haig’s previous talk with Rogers
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Return to US
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-Delay
-The President’s instructions
-Settlement
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Response
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-George S. McGovern’s statements
-The President’s view
-Bombing halt
-Announcement
-The President’s view
-1968 precedent
-Negotiations
-Moscow and Hanoi
-Secrecy
-Settlement
-Timing
-1972 election
-Public relations problems
-Thieu’s response
-Rogers’s view
-Pressure
-Public relations
-Bombing
-Continuation
-Halt
-Problems
-Settlement
-Negotiations
-Pham Van Dong
-Interview
-Thieu’s position
-North Vietnamese concessions
-The President’s views
-Thieu’s view
-Ceasefire
-South Vietnamese advantages
-Territory
-Option of continuing the war
-The President’s view
-Thieu’s position
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-The President’s view
-US response
-McGovern’s statement
-Public impression of US efforts
-Hanoi’s position
-Public statements
-Arnaud de Borchgrave
-1972 victory for the President
-Negotiations
-Kissinger meeting with South Vietnamese, North
Vietnamese
-Message of North Vietnamese
-Kissinger’s return to US
-Reason of blown secrecy
-Meetings with North Vietnamese
-1972 election
-Peace settlement
-The President’s terms
-Peace settlement
-State Department
-Knowledge
-Ellsworth Bunker [?]
-William H. Sullivan
-POWs
-Possible problems with settlement
-North Vietnamese positions
-Possible strategy
-North Vietnamese offer to return POWs
-Thieu’s possible rejection off settlement
-Risks to settlement
-Election victory
-Compared with 1968 election
-Possible approach with the President
-Settlement
-Break-through
-Reaction by the President and Rogers
-Haig’s meeting
-Thieu’s response
-Park Chung Hee
-Speech
-Collaboration with Chiang Ching-Kuo, Thieu
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-Inconsistencies
-Statements about Vietnam and Taiwan, Republic of China
-South Koreans
-Cooperation with US in Vietnam
-Resistance
-Strategy
-Risks
-US support for South Korea
-Korean War
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 5s ]
SOUTH KOREA
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-Reasons
-US election
-The President’s view
-Chiang Ching-Kuo
-Attitude
-Rogers’s view
-Taiwan
-Rogers’s view
-The President’s view
-Sense of history
-Need for US support
-Thieu
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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[National Security]
[Duration: 7s ]
TAIWAN, SOUTH KOREA
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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-Thieu
-Risks of removal
-Possible communist takeover
-US strategy
-US pressure for a settlement
-Timing with election
-Rogers’s view
-The President’s view
-Basic interests
-Comparison with US interests
-Kissinger’s view
-US withdrawal
-POWs
-Thieu’s stability
-Gen. Creighton B. Abrams, Jr.
-Support
-Professional military people
-Support
-Abrams
-Europe
-Inevitability of withdrawal
-Kissinger
-Work on settlement
-The president’s view
-Rogers’s view
-Exhaustion
-Return to US
-Forthcoming meeting
-Rogers’s request to be included
-Delay
-Timing with President’s return from New York
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World Affairs Council
-California
-Rogers’s speech at meeting
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 1m 29s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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Vietnam peace settlement
-Thieu’s acceptance
-Problems
-1972 election
-McGovern’s possible criticisms
-US foreign policy
-Thieu’s position
Washington Redskins-Dallas Cowboys game
-Adele (Langston) Rogers and William Rogers attendance
-The President’s viewing
-Baltimore television station
-First half
-Philadelphia Eagles
-Larry Brown
-Performance
-Pass receptions
-Calvin Hill
-First half
-Pass interceptions
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