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Start Date: Monday, October 23, 1972 12:23 AM

End Date: Monday, October 23, 1972 12:41 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Rogers, William P.

Recording Device: White House Telephone

032-009.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 22, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone from 8:23 pm to 8:41 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 032-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 32-9

Date: October 22, 1972
Time: 8:23 pm - 8:41 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with William P. Rogers.

        Dinner

        Vietnam
            -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s previous talk with the President
            -Haig’s previous talk with Rogers
            -Henry A. Kissinger
                -Return to US
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          -Delay
              -The President’s instructions
-Settlement
     -Nguyen Van Thieu
          -Response
     -Prisoners of war [POWs]
     -George S. McGovern’s statements
          -The President’s view
     -Bombing halt
     -Announcement
          -The President’s view
              -1968 precedent
     -Negotiations
          -Moscow and Hanoi
              -Secrecy
-Settlement
     -Timing
          -1972 election
              -Public relations problems
     -Thieu’s response
          -Rogers’s view
              -Pressure
              -Public relations
-Bombing
     -Continuation
     -Halt
          -Problems
-Settlement
     -Negotiations
          -Pham Van Dong
              -Interview
     -Thieu’s position
     -North Vietnamese concessions
          -The President’s views
     -Thieu’s view
          -Ceasefire
          -South Vietnamese advantages
              -Territory
     -Option of continuing the war
          -The President’s view
     -Thieu’s position
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          -The President’s view
          -US response
          -McGovern’s statement
     -Public impression of US efforts
     -Hanoi’s position
          -Public statements
          -Arnaud de Borchgrave
              -1972 victory for the President
-Negotiations
     -Kissinger meeting with South Vietnamese, North
      Vietnamese
     -Message of North Vietnamese
          -Kissinger’s return to US
              -Reason of blown secrecy
     -Meetings with North Vietnamese
-1972 election
     -Peace settlement
          -The President’s terms
-Peace settlement
     -State Department
          -Knowledge
              -Ellsworth Bunker [?]
              -William H. Sullivan
-POWs
     -Possible problems with settlement
     -North Vietnamese positions
          -Possible strategy
              -North Vietnamese offer to return POWs
                   -Thieu’s possible rejection off settlement
          -Risks to settlement
              -Election victory
                   -Compared with 1968 election
          -Possible approach with the President
-Settlement
     -Break-through
          -Reaction by the President and Rogers
              -Haig’s meeting
     -Thieu’s response
          -Park Chung Hee
              -Speech
                   -Collaboration with Chiang Ching-Kuo, Thieu
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                           -Inconsistencies
                                -Statements about Vietnam and Taiwan, Republic of China
              -South Koreans
                  -Cooperation with US in Vietnam
                       -Resistance
                  -Strategy
                       -Risks
                           -US support for South Korea
                                -Korean War


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration:    5s ]

       SOUTH KOREA

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                       -Reasons
                           -US election
                  -The President’s view
              -Chiang Ching-Kuo
                  -Attitude
                       -Rogers’s view
                  -Taiwan
                       -Rogers’s view
                       -The President’s view
                           -Sense of history
                           -Need for US support
                               -Thieu


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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[National Security]
[Duration:   7s ]

        TAIWAN, SOUTH KOREA

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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                 -Thieu
                     -Risks of removal
                          -Possible communist takeover
                     -US strategy
                          -US pressure for a settlement
                              -Timing with election
                                    -Rogers’s view
                                    -The President’s view
                     -Basic interests
                          -Comparison with US interests
                              -Kissinger’s view
                              -US withdrawal
                              -POWs
                              -Thieu’s stability
                 -Gen. Creighton B. Abrams, Jr.
                     -Support
                 -Professional military people
                     -Support
                 -Abrams
                     -Europe
                     -Inevitability of withdrawal
                 -Kissinger
                     -Work on settlement
                          -The president’s view
                          -Rogers’s view
                              -Exhaustion
                     -Return to US
                          -Forthcoming meeting
                              -Rogers’s request to be included
                          -Delay
                              -Timing with President’s return from New York
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       World Affairs Council
          -California
          -Rogers’s speech at meeting


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 1m 29s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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       Vietnam peace settlement
           -Thieu’s acceptance
               -Problems
                    -1972 election
                        -McGovern’s possible criticisms
                    -US foreign policy
               -Thieu’s position

       Washington Redskins-Dallas Cowboys game
          -Adele (Langston) Rogers and William Rogers attendance
          -The President’s viewing
               -Baltimore television station
          -First half
          -Philadelphia Eagles
          -Larry Brown
               -Performance
               -Pass receptions
          -Calvin Hill
          -First half
               -Pass interceptions
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