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Start Date: 13-Apr-1973 6:16 PM

End Date: 13-Apr-1973 6:31 PM


Ehrlichman, John D.Nixon, Richard M. (President)

Recording Device: White House Telephone


NARA Description:

On April 13, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone from 6:16 pm to 6:31 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 38-12

Date: April 13, 1973
Time: 6:16 pm - 6:31 pm
Location: White House Telephone

John D. Ehrlichman talked with the President.

     Ehrlichman’s meeting with unknown people [Charles Colson and David Shapiro (?)]
           -E. Howard Hunt, Jr.’s forthcoming grand jury testimony 

                 -William D. Bittman            

                 -Kenneth W. Parkinson, Paul L. O’Brien 

                 -Mrs. Dorothy Hunt           


                 -Ervin Committee         

           -John N. Mitchell       

                 -Charles W. Colson          

                 -New York Grand Jury             


                       -Robert L. Vesco           

                       -Daniel W. Hofgren              

                 -Washington, DC Grand Jury
                       -[First name unknown] Klein
                       -Contributions for government contracts
           -Shapiro’s interview with Hunt 

                 -Hunt’s meeting with G. Gordon Liddy 

                       -Mitchell’s orders           

                              -Liddy’s expectation of pardon    

                       -John W. Dean, III’s advice         

           -Effect of Hunt’s forthcoming testimony 

                 -Possible White House actions           

                       -Removal of Dean              




                           Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. January-2011)

                                                   Conversation No. 38-12 (cont’d)

            -Shapiro’s recommendations
            -Executive privilege and criminal conduct
                   -Statement by Ehrlichman, Richard G. Kleindienst
            -Need for President to know evidence 


                   -Fred F. Fielding         

                   -US Attorney          

            -Advice to Liddy         


            -Effect of President’s actions          



     -James W. McCord, Jr.’s conversation with US Attorney 

            -Break-in of Herman M. (“Hank”) Greenspun’s safe

     -Effect of Hunt’s forthcoming testimony 

            Content of testimony           

     -Possible pardon for Liddy            




            -Ervin Committee hearings             

            -Insanity plea       

            -Martha (Beall) Mitchell           

     -Two grand juries         


     -Dean’s forthcoming testimony              

-Mitchell and Jeb Stuart Magruder
     -Effect on White House
     -Telephone conversation with Lawrence M. Higby 

            -Illegal recording       

            -Dean, Gordon C. Strachan             

     -Meeting with President
     -Effect of Liddy’s and Hunt’s possible testimony


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                     (rev. January-2011)

                                                           Conversation No. 38-12 (cont’d)

          -Hunt’s possible testimony       



          -Hunt’s desire for pardon 

          -Hunt’s possible testimony