Conversation: 051-002
Prev: 051-001 Next: 051-003Start Date: 23-Mar-1971 3:00 PM
End Date: 23-Mar-1971 4:45 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Agnew, Spiro T. (Vice President); Weinberger, Caspar W. ("Cap"); Romney, George W.; Stokes, Carl B.; Tate, James H. J.; Gribbs, Roman S.; Maier, Henry W.; Welch, Louie; Maltester, Jack D.; Massell, Sam; Cervantes, Alfonso J.; Alexander, Lee; Landrieu, Maurice E. ("Moon"); Lindsay, John V.; Kramer, Lawrence F.; Haskell, Harry G.; Driggs, John W.; Lugar, Richard G.; Dyke, William D.; Blackwell, Robert J.; D'Alesandro, Thomas J., III; Hays, Will H., Jr.; White, Kevin D.; Gibson, Kenneth A.; Curran, Frank; Siebels, George G., Jr.; Sullivan, George M.; Uccello, Antonina; Kilgore, Ann H.; Knecht, Robert W.; Alioto, Joseph; Flaherty, Peter F.; Healy, Patrick; Gunther, John J.;Recording Device: Cabinet Room
NARA Description:
On March 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger, George Romney, and mayors of United States cities, including Carl B. Stokes, James H. J. Tate, Roman S. Gribbs, Henry W. Maier, Louie Welch, Jack D. Maltester, Sam Massell, Alfonso J. Cervantes, Lee Alexander, Maurice E. ("Moon") Landrieu, John V. Lindsay, Lawrence F. Kramer, Harry G. Haskell, John W. Driggs, Richard G. Lugar, William D. Dyke, Robert J. Blackwell, Thomas J. D'Alesandro, Will H. Hays, Jr., Kevin D. White, Kenneth A. Gibson, Frank Curran, George G. Siebels, Jr., George M. Sullivan, Antonina P. Uccello, Ann H. Kilgore, Robert W. Knecht, Joseph Alioto, Peter F. Flaherty, Patrick Healy, and John J. Gunther, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 3:00 pm to 4:45 pm. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 051-002 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 51-2
Date: March 23, 1971
Time: 3:00 pm - 4:45 pm
Location: Cabinet Room
The President met with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger, George
W. Romney, Carl B. Stokes, James H. J. Tate, Roman S. Gribbs, Henry W. Maier, Louie Welch,
Jack D. Maltester, Sam Massell, Alfonso J. Cervantes, Lee Alexander, Moon Landrieu, John V.
Lindsay, Lawrence F. Kramer, Harry G. Haskell, John W. Driggs, Richard G. Lugar, William D.
Dyke, Robert J. Blackwell, Thomas J. D’Alesandro, Will H. Hays, Jr., Kevin D. White, Kenneth
A. Gibson, Frank Curran, George C. Siebels, Jr., George M. Sullivan, Antonina P. Uccello, Ann
H. Kilgore, Robert W. Knecht, Joseph Alioto, Peter F. Flaherty, Pat Healy, and John J. Gunther
[General conversation/Unintelligible]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
Hays’ chair
-Father, Will Hays
-Postmaster General (1920s)
Revenue sharing
-Effects of special programs on cities
-Mayors’ feedback
-Agnew
-Travels
-Current meeting
-Tate, Lugar
-Agnew’s background
-Charles L. Shultze
-Weinberger
-Budgetary considerations
-Remarks by Tate
-Mayors’ position
-Congress
-Funding
-Remarks by Stokes
-Congress
-Republicans
-General program
-John W. Byrnes and Wilbur D. Mills
-Position
-General versus special
-Confusion over terms
-Walter W. Heller
-Definition of terms
-Control of programs
-Administration efforts
-Agnew’s travels
-Advisory Committee on Intergovernmental Relations, mayors’ and governors’
conferences
-Weinberger
-Budgetary considerations
-California background
-Position
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-Jurisdiction
-Congress
-Federal budget
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Congress
-House Appropriations Committee
-Outlay ceiling for Fiscal Year [FY] 1970
-Debt ceiling
-US Treasury
-Inflation
-Control
-President
-Construction
-Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
-Lyndon B. Johnson administration
-Current administration
-Urban mass transit funds
-Congressional authorization
-Department of Transportation budget
-Continuing resolution
-Amount
-Administration position
-Congress
Urban renewal
-Remarks by Alioto
-1970 presentation by mayors to Congress
-Finances
-Congress
-Department of Housing and Urban Development
-Congress
-1970 presentation by mayors to Congress
-Political considerations
-Finances
-Needs
-Finances
-Staffing
-Oakland - San Francisco
Revenue sharing
-Mayors’ position
-Weinberger’s previous statements
-Uses
-Public housing, Office of Economic Opportunity, urban renewal, water and
sewer programs
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
Urban renewal
-Remarks by Weinberger
-Finances
-Amounts
-Effects of revenue sharing
-San Francisco
-Joseph Hamilton [?]
-Talk with Weinberger
-Release of funds
-Increase in outlays
-California
-FY 1971
-Availability
-Revenue sharing
-Model Cities program
-Public housing construction
-Availability of funds
-Effects
-On mayors
-On support for revenue sharing
-On Alioto, D’Alesandro
-Congressional restraints
-Effect on federal budget
-Romney’s appearance before Congress
-William Proxmire
-Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
-Outlay ceiling
-Executive branch
-Proxmire’s position
-Effects
-FY 1972
-Pre-FY 1972
-Amounts
Revenue sharing
-Remarks by Haskell
-Transition to special programs from categorical grants
-Mayors’ position
-Needs
-Congress
-Needs
-Management by mayors
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-John [Surname unknown]
-Political considerations
-President’s position
-Democrats
-Executive branch versus Congress
-Mills, Byrnes
-President’s position
-Transition from categorical grants to special revenue sharing
-Previous meeting between mayors and Romney
-Funding
-Effect on Alioto’s problems
-Time lag in receiving funds
-Formulas
-Urban Community Development Program
-Priorities vs. resources
-Highways, Model Cities, urban renewal funds
-Provisions of program
-Urban redevelopment program
-Special programs
-Education programs
-Congressional alternatives
Unemployment
-Remarks by Gribbs
-Detroit
-Inner city
-Youth
-Emergency Employment Bill
-Manpower revenue sharing
-Youth
-Summer Jobs
-Department of Labor youth training program
-Jacob K. Javits, Edward W. Brooke, Philip A. Hart, and Clifford P. Case
-Funds in previous year
-Meeting with Agnew, November 1970
-Emergency funding
-Youth
-Summer jobs
-Recreation
-Summer jobs
-Trends
-Programs
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Priority
-Private sector and local involvement
Transportation
-Relation to unemployment
-Summer programs
-Remarks by D’Alesandro
-Work with Agnew
-President’s program
-Urban Mass Transit Act of 1970
-Finances
-Congressional authorization
-OMB actions
-Restraints
-House Ways and Means Committee
-Urban Mass Transit Act of 1970
-Localities’ requests for funds
-Availability of funds
-Supersonic Transport [SST] funding
-FY 1972
-Congressional restraints
-1972 budgetary requests
-Availability of funds
-FY 1971-FY 1972
Mayors
-Remarks by Lindsay
-Meeting with Russell B. Long and Carl B. Albert
-US Conference of Mayors
-Tate’s appointment of legislative action committee, December 1970, in Atlanta
-Purpose
-Meeting with Congressmen
-Travel
-Washington
-New Jersey
-Purpose
-Compared with Kerner Commission
-Revenue sharing
-Need
-City employee cuts
-Legislative action committee
-Property taxes
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-New York City
-Legislative action committee
-Congress
-Summer programs
-Matching grants
-Unemployment and underemployment
-Direct funding
-Public service employment
-Need
-Meetings with Congressmen
-Results
-Byrnes, Mills
-Results
-Support for President’s programs
-Congress’ responsibility
-Prospects
-Need
Administration’s position on issues
-Weinberger
-Romney
-President’s knowledge of budgetary matters
-Lindsay’s presentation
-Federal versus local
-Overall policy
-Vietnam War
-Economy
-FY 1972 budget
-Deficit spending
-Congressmen’s view
-President’s view
-Full employment
-Monetary policy
-Urban employment
-Prospects for future
-Stock market
-American Stock Exchange
-Employment prospects
-Political considerations
-Heller
-General versus special revenue sharing
-Tate, Lugar
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Effects
-Importance of cities
-Needs for cities
-Importance of local control
Mayors
-President’s previous meeting
-Turnover
-Reason
-Problems of localities
-Compared with President’s problems
-Financial
-Administration concern
Presidential gifts
-Cufflinks
-Bows
-Bureau of the Budget
[General conversation/Unintelligible]
The President, et al. left at 4:45 pm