Conversation: 081-002
Prev: 081-001 Next: 081-004Start Date: 27-Oct-1971 3:48 PM
End Date: 27-Oct-1971 5:22 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Mitchell, John N.; Connally, John B.; Shultz, George P.; Weinberger, Caspar W. ("Cap"); Colson, Charles W.; Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.; Harper, Edwin L.; Engman, Lewis A.; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");Recording Device: Cabinet Room
NARA Description:
On October 27, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and budget advisors, including John D. Ehrlichman, John N. Mitchell, John B. Connally, George P. Shultz, Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger, Charles W. Colson, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Edwin L. Harper, Lewis A. Engman, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 3:48 pm to 5:22 pm. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 081-002 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 81-2
Date: October 27, 1971
Time: 3:48 pm - 5:22 pm
Location: Cabinet Room
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman, John N. Mitchell, John B. Connally, George P.
Shultz, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger, Charles W. Colson, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Edwin L.
Harper, Lewis A. Engman, and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]
Polls
-National issues
-Economy
-Vietnam
-Other issues
-Louis Harris,George H. Gallup
-Comparison
-Personal issues
-Economy, Vietnam
-Other issues
-Taxes, education
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National economy
-Harris poll
-Unemployment projections for 1973
Projected 1972 domestic issues
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Possible new programs for 1972
Research and development
-Vocational education
Proposals and programs before Congress
Polls
-Federal budget spending
-Program areas
-Education
-Taxes
-Types
Taxes
-Problem areas
-Property taxes
-Parochial school aid
-Value-added Tax [VAT]
-Education
-Equal Protection
-California Supreme Court decision
-Federal budget
-Support for schools
-Property taxes
-Crime, health
-Percentage of local taxes
-Federal
-VAT
-Percentage to states
-Effect on school funding
-Property tax
-New York
-Use
-Rate
-Effect on families
-Income redistribution
-Progressive compared with a flat rate
-Key states
-Advantages
-Disadvantages
-Areas eliminated
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-Effect on property taxes
-Political accountability
-Effect on state taxes
-Income tax
-Sales tax
-Effect on constituency
Aid to parochial schools
-Possible Congressional actions
-Tax credit
-Constitutionality
-Cost
Taxes
-VAT
-Non-residential property
-Effect on state and local taxes
-Possible use of tax credits
-Popular perceptions
-The President
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Russell B. Long
-Possible Congressional action
-Compared to welfare reform and revenue sharing
Welfare reform
-Popular opinion
-Work requirements, family assistance
Revenue sharing
-Popular opinion
-State and local government interest
Government reorganization
Possible Congressional actions
-Welfare reform, revenue sharing, reorganization
-The President’s opponents
-VAT
Parochial school aid
-Popular opinion
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-Importance
-Political value
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare’s [HEW] views
-National Education Association’s [NEA] views
-The President’s constituency
-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
-Blue-collar Catholics
-The President contrasted with possible Democrat opponents
-Value
The President’s programs
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-Popular appeal
-Economic issues
-Changing political values
-Taxes
-The President’s constituency
-Domestic programs
-Foreign policy
Polls
-Catholics
-Harris
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Parochial school aid
-Compared to tax credits
-Bible-belt Congressmen
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Education
-Spending
-Budget concerns
-Significance as an issue
-Lobby
-Public concern
-Taxes
-”Gut” issues
-VAT approach
-Effect on state taxes
-Parochial school aid
-Report
-Popular opinion
-Supporters
-Effect of post-World War II baby boom
-Teacher shortage
-Current situation
-Votes on bond issues
-Compared with other issues
-Property taxes
-MacElroy Commission
-California Supreme Court decision
Property taxes
-As an issue
-Effect on local officials
-Education
-Blue-collar Catholic voters
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Taxes
-VAT
-Balanced federal budget
-Other taxes
-VAT
-Sales tax
-Property taxes
-Education
-Titling of legislation
-”Property Tax Relief Act”
-Aid to parochial schools
-Taxes on farm property
-Property taxes
-State taxes
-Titling of legislation
Education
-Public and private schools
-University of California
-Whittier College
-Catholic schools
-Fordham University
-School prayer
-Effect of possible closing of parochial schools
-University of Texas’ investments
-Private versus public schools
-Prayer, busing
-Southern white schools
National economy
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-Balanced federal budget
-VAT
-Uncontrollable expenses
Taxes
-VAT
-State taxes
-Political effect
-California
Federal judges
Taxes
-VAT
-Business community
-Effect on other taxes
-Popular opinion
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 3:48 pm
The President’s schedule
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 5:22 pm
Taxes
-VAT
-Fiscal responsibility
-Effect on local property taxes
Congressional vote
The President’s law firm
-Bonds
[General conversation/Unintelligible]
The President, et al. left at 5:22 pm
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