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Conversation: 082-001

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Start Date: 4-Nov-1971 5:06 PM

End Date: 4-Nov-1971 6:23 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Devine, Samuel L.King, Carleton J.Dickinson, William L.Hunt, John E.Kyl, JohnCollins, James M.Michel, Robert H.Rousselot, John H.MacGregor, ClarkTimmons, William E.Cook, Richard K.Butterfield, Alexander P.Ehrlichman, John D.

Recording Device: Cabinet Room

082a.mp3

082b.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and selected Republican members of the House of Representatives, including Samuel L. Devine, Carleton J. King, William L. Dickinson, John E. Hunt, John H. Kyl, James M. Collins, Robert H. Michel, John Rousselot, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Richard K. Cook, Alexander P. Butterfield, and John D. Ehrlichman, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 5:06 pm to 6:23 pm. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 082-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 82-1

Date: November 4, 1971
Time: 5:06 pm - 6:23 pm
Location: Cabinet Room

The President met with Samuel L. Devine, Carleton J. King, Delwin M. Clawson, William L.
Dickinson, John E. Hunt, John H. Kyl, James M. Collins, Robert H. Michel, John Rousselot,
Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Richard K. Cook, Alexander P. Butterfield, and John D.
Ehrlichman

     [General conversation]

     Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
          -Record as Governor of Maryland
          -White House staff concerns
                -Firing by the President
          -Meeting, September 23, with Congressmen
                -Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak column, October 26
                -Statement regarding possible candidacy in 1972
                -Marriott Hotel
                -Attendees

     John B. Connally
          -Loyalty
          -Knowledge of economics
          -Spokesman


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     Trips to Vietnam and Japan

[To listen to the segment (27s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-564.]

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 31s ]
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    The President’s Supreme Court nominees
         -Constituents’ reaction
         -Lewis F. Powell, Jr.
               -Speeches
               -Contrasted with William O. Douglas
         -William H. Rehnquist
               -Past statements
         -The President’s opponents’ reaction
               -Powell
               -Rehnquist
                     -Contrasted with Byron R. (“Whizzer”) White
                     -Record
         -Rehnquist
               -Views of counsel of Arizona State Central Committee
               -Views of Justice Department lawyers
               -Handling of Pentagon Papers case
         -Future appointments

    Busing
         -Supreme Court decision
         -Popular opinion

    Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
         -Money for child care
               -Possible veto
         -Hunt
         -Director
         -Constituents
         -Pending legislation
         -Constituents’ view in Camden County, New Jersey
               -Dwight D. Eisenhower
         -The President’s conversation with Frank C. Carlucci
         -Pending legislation
               -Possible veto
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Busing
     -John N. Mitchell’s intervention
           -Texas, Tennessee, and Michigan
     -Possible constitutional amendment
           -Howard H. Baker, Jr. and Robert P. Griffin
           -The President’s schedule
                 -Mitchell
                       -Florida
     -Possible legislation
           -Ehrlichman and Mitchell
           -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.’s amendment
           -Constitutionality
     -Joseph Alioto’s election
           -Indictment
           -Stand on busing
           -Griffin’s views
     -Ehrlichman’s role
           -Rehnquist
           -Options
     -Possible constitutional amendment
           -Role of the President
     -Possible legislation
           -Democrats’ possible votes
     -Possible constitutional amendment
           -California Constitution
     -Ruling of Alabama state court
           -Mitchell’s possible action
                 -Federal court in Birmingham

OEO
      -Pending legislation
           -Child development
           -Possible veto
           -Legal aid

Busing
     -Possible statement by the President
     -Justice Department intervention
     -The President’s conversation with Mitchell
     -De facto versus de jure segregation
           -Pasadena, California case
     -Possible Supreme Court decision
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                -Northern states
                -Pontiac, Michigan decision

     United States’ role in world
          -Conservative House members’ views
          -Foreign aid
                -Senate vote
                      -United Nations’ vote on Taiwan
                      -Robert J. Dole

     United Nations vote on Taiwan
          -Delegates’ reaction
               -George H. W. Bush

     Bush
            -Speeches


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     FOREIGN AID PROGRAM, VIETNAM, JAPAN


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

[To listen to the segment (11m20s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-564.]

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     Foreign Aid
          -Importance
          -Anti-Ballistic Missile [ABM], Minute Men, Polaris
          -Possible inclusion of military aid in Defense Department budget
               -The President’s conversation with Melvin R. Laird
          -Senators’ votes
               -Hawks and doves
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            -J. William Fulbright
            -Continuing resolution
                 -George H. Mahon, Frank T. Bow
                       -Rules Committee
                 -Cooper-Church Amendment
                       -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                             -Presidential powers

     Vietnam
          -Southern Democrats
          -The President’s opponents
               -Edmund S. Muskie and Hubert H. Humphrey
          -Democrats’ program contrasted with the President’s
               -South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos
          -POWs


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     Vietnam

[To listen to the segment (16s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-564.]

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            -Possible congressional action
                 -POWs
                 -Withdrawal
            -The President’s handling
            -Cambodia and Laos operations
                 -Importance
                 -Winston S. Churchill’s account of March 21, 1918
                       -British commanding general, [Forename unknown] Jackson
                       -Erich F. W. Ludendorff and Paul von Hindenburg’s offensive


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     Laos

[To listen to the segment (52s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-564.]
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           -Eisenhower
           -Congressional action
           -Troop withdrawals
           -Congressional action

    Corn
           -Strategic reserves
                 -William R. Poage
                 -Pending legislation
                       -Carl B. Albert
                       -Possible administration action
                       -John C. Whitaker
                       -Possible grain sale to the Soviet Union
           -Possible grain sale to the Soviet Union
                 -Administration negotiations with maritime unions
           -Loan program
                 -Dock strike
           -Possible grain sale to the Soviet Union
                 -Henry A. Kissinger’s forthcoming meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
           -Prices
           -Dock strike
           -Effects on states
                 -Contrasted with wheat states
                 -Charles A. Halleck
                       -Corn-hog ratio
           -Pending legislation

    Dock strike
        -Mobile, Alabama
               -Soybeans
        -Possible Taft-Hartley injunction
               -George P. Shultz
        -Soybeans
        -National Labor Relations Board [NLRB] injunction
        -Soybeans

    Grain elevator strike
         -Taft-Hartley injunctions
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     Dock strike
         -Transportation legislation
         -Mobile

     Busing

     The President’s forthcoming trips to the People’s Republic of China and the Soviet Union

     United Nations
          -Taiwan

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     Taiwan, the President’s Forthcoming Trips to the People’s Republic Of China and the
         Soviet Union

[To listen to the segment (11m18s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-564.]

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     Presentation of gifts by the President
          -Bella S. Abzug

     Congressmen’s voting records
         -White House lists
         -Foreign policy

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

     Possible assassination of the President
          -Vice President Agnew

     Corn issue

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 6:23 pm
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