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Start Date: 2-Mar-1972 10:30 AM

End Date: 2-Mar-1972 11:43 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Cabinet Committee on EducationGray, L[ouis] Patrick, IIIRichardson, Elliot L.Shultz, George P.Dam, Kenneth W.O'Neill, Paul H.Ehrlichman, John D.Morgan, Edward L.Clawson, JamesMacGregor, ClarkZiegler, Ronald L.Mead, Dana G.Jackson, Samuel C.Brown, William H., IIIHouston, Norman B.Simmons, Samuel J.Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Cabinet Room

093a.mp3

093b.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and members of the Cabinet Committee on Education, including L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III, Elliot L. Richardson, George P. Shultz, Kenneth W. Dam, Paul H. O'Neill, John D. Ehrlichman, Edward L. Morgan, James Clawson, Clark MacGregor, Ronald L. Ziegler, Dana G. Meade, Samuel C. Jackson, William H. Brown, III, Norman B. Houston, Samuel J. Simmons, and Stephen B. Bull, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 10:30 am to 11:43 am. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 093-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 93-2

Date: March 6, 1972
Time: 10:30 am - 11:43 am
Location: Cabinet Room

The President met with members of the Cabinet Committee on Education: L[ouis] Patrick Gray,
III, Elliot L. Richardson, George P. Shultz, Kenneth W. Dam, Paul H. O’Neill, John D.
Ehrlichman, Edward L. Morgan, James Clawson, Clark MacGregor, and Ronald L. Ziegler
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]

     Education in the United States
         -Black leadership
                -Desegregation
                      -Memoranda
                -Meeting
                                  6

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/08)



-Shultz
-Constitutional issues
      -Desegregation
      -Office of Legal Counsel
            -Moratorium on busing
            -Constitutional committee
            -President’s contribution
      -Compensatory quality of education
      -John B. Connally
            -Catholic education
                  -Comparison to black education
                        -Low income groups
                        -Taxation
-Quality of education
      -Bilingualism
            -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] program
            -Civil Rights Act, Title 6
                  -Discriminatory
                        -Spanish-speaking backgrounds
            -Emergency School Aid Act
                  -Equalize education
                        -Inner city schools
      -Financing
      -Memoranda
      -Legislation
            -Compensatory effort
      -District equalization
-State of the Union
-Private schools
      -Tax credit
            -Timing
      -Legislation
      -Transportation
      -Moratorium on busing
            -Bilingual education
            -Constitutionality of
      -Financing
            -District
            -Transfers and receiving schools
                  -Catholic schools
                        -Questions
            -School aid funds
                                      7

                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. 10/08)



                  -Budget
                  -Monies per child
                        -Eligibility requirements
                        -Formula
                        -Remedies for busing
                              -Limits
                              -Mileage
                              -Difficulties involved
     -Policy issues
            -Constitutional amendment
                  -Drafts
            -Moratorium form
     -Financing
            -Rationale
     -Responsibilities
     -Black education
            -George C. Wallace [?]
            -[Forename unknown] Jackson
            -Democrats
     -Civil rights establishment
            -Responsibility
            -Politics
            -Black leaders document
            -Supreme Court Justices
                  -Potter Stewart
     -Constitutional amendment
            -Senate
            -Issue versus action
     -President’s memorandum
     -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
     -Political
     -Busing
            -Inferior education
-School integration
     -Liberals
            -Right versus wrong
-Richardson
     -Busing
     -Excessive transportation
     -Equality of education
-Black attitudes
     -Desegregation
                                                8

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/08)



                -Black appointees
                       -Street reactions
                -Courts
                -Congress
                       -Republicans
                       -Democrats
                -Memorandum
                -Shultz
                -Vote
                -Ethnic groups
                -Italian vote
                -Black vote
                       -Inferior education
                -Black establishment
                       -William Raspberry [?]
                       -Urban League
                       -Roy E. A. Innis
                             -Desegregation
                             -White versus black education
                                   -Inferior versus superior education
                                         -Teaching standards
                                         -Environment
                                               -Busing

     President’s schedule

Dana G. Mead, Samuel C. Jackson, William H. Brown, III, Norman B. Houston, and Samuel J.
Simmons entered at 11:05 am

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

     Picture

     Memorandum on education in the United States
        -Busing and desegregation
             -Approach to
             -Rationalization
             -Analysis
        -Committee
             -Meeting
                  -Time
             -White House staff members
                                      9

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/08)



-Quality of education
     -Authority
     -Recommendation
     -Politics
     -Neighborhood school
           -Definition
     -Segregation
     -Rural areas
     -Transportation
           -Inferior education
     -Public information
     -Transportation problems
           -Issues
           -Agreements
     -Extremists
           -Busing
                 -Race
     -Price
           -Draft
           -Busing
                 -Segregation
     -School systems
           -Hardship of busing
           -Quality of education
     -Housing
     -Jobs
     -Lack of remedies
     -Environment
           -Blacks
     -Safety of children
           -Police
           -Upgrading communities
                 -Inferior schools
                       -Social ills
-Upgrading rural schools
-Ghetto schools
-Quality education
     -Codeword
     -Integration
     -Ratio of students to teachers
     -Financial factors
           -Teachers’ salaries
                                   10

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/08)



            -Equipment costs
      -Busing
      -Classrooms
      -Good teachers
      -Law and order
-California and Ohio
      -Communities
            -Leadership in housing options
                  -Minorities
                  -Low income
            -Impact on education
      -Federal government
            -Provide encouragement
            -Provide assistance
            -Fair share
-Quality of teachers
      -Tenure policies
      -Accountability
-Quality education
      -Poor children
-Richardson
      -Beyond segregation
      -School system
            -Responsibility
-Robert J. Brown
-President’s appreciation of Council’s work
-Black vote
-White vote
-Price
-Howard H. Baker, Jr.
-William E. Brock, III
-Approaches to busing issue
      -Left and right
            -Satisfaction
      -President’s proposals
            -Politics
            -Options
            -Leadership responsibility
                  -Quality education
                  -Desegregation education
            -Constitutional amendment
                  -Black leadership
                                                 11

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/08)



                                 -Satisfaction
          -Busing issue
                -Controversial
                -Difficult
          -Dual school system
                -Southern states
                -Brown v. Board of Education
                       -President’s administration
                             -Perspective
                       -Black leadership
                             -Responsibility
                       -Courage of leaders
                       -Brown [?]
                -Roy Wilkins
                       -John G. Tower
                       -Baker
                       -Robert Bishop
                       -Wallace
                       -Constitutional amendment
          -Political reality
          -Scott-Mansfield amendment
                -Citizens committee
                       -Positive approach

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:05 am

     President’s schedule
          -Camp David
          -Proposals
                -Timing
                -Leadership

     Wallace

     Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson [?]

     Hubert H. Humphrey

     Governors

     Education
         -California
                                               12

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. 10/08)



                -Spanish-speaking students
                -Leadership
                -Positive solution
           -Constitutional amendment
                -Wire story
                -Options
                -MacGregor

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 11:43 am