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Conversation: 105-001

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Start Date: 8-Sep-1972 10:43 AM

End Date: 8-Sep-1972 5:31 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ambrose, Myles J.Allott, Gordon L.Baker, James E.Alter, Samuel A.Buckley, Francis M.Caballero, RomualdoCallahan, WilliamCloud, Stephen J.Cooney, John F.Corcoran, William J.Dana, Frederick J.Fitzsimmons, J. MichaelFletcher, Stephen M.Gibbons, John C.Pinnell, CharlesJacquet, HaroldLevine, SamuelLuckel, Eb B.Marinaccio, Lee A.Marrs, Michael D.Martinez, Jose E.Miller, Scott T.Morachnik, CharlesMorrison, AlexiaNadel, Norbert A.Paris, Wayne H.Poole, Charles I.Praeger, IrvingPromuto, Vincent L.Rosen, Peter M.Sprague, RobertStool, AnnaSullivan, PatrickTorres, RickWaldman, Jay C.White, JacksonWilbur, John S., Jr.Wright, Dale R.Zitko, Robert D.Jaffe, DavidGray, MontyKrogh, Egil ("Bud"), Jr.Shepard, Geoffrey C.White House photographer

Recording Device: Cabinet Room

105a.mp3

105b.mp3

105c.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and attorneys attending a training seminar on drug abuse law enforcement, including Myles J. Ambrose, Gordon L. Allott, James E. Baker, Samuel A. Alter, Francis M. Buckley, Romualdo Caballero, William Callahan, Stephen J. Cloud, John F. Cooney, William J. Corcoran, Frederick J., Dana, J. Michael Fitzsimmons, Stephen M. Fletcher, John C. Gibbons, Charles Pinnell, Harold Jacquet, Samuel Levine, Eb B. Luckel, Lee A. Marinaccio, Michael D. Marrs, Jose E. Martinez, Scott T. Miller, Charles Morachnik, Alexia Morrison, Norbert A. Nadel, Wayne H. Paris, Charles I. Poole, Irving Praeger, Vincent L. Promuto, Peter M. Rosen, Benjamin P. Schoen, Daniel J. Sears, Robert Sprague, Anna Stool, Patrick Sullivan, Rick Torres, Jay C. Waldman, Jackson White, John S. Wilbur, Jr., Dale R. Wright, Robert D. Zitko, David Jaffe, Monty Gray, Egil ("Bud") Krogh, Jr., Geoffrey C. Shepard, the White House photographer, and members of the press, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 10:43 am and 5:31 pm. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 105-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 105-1

Date: September 8, 1972
Time: 10:43 am - unknown before 5:31 pm
Location: Cabinet Room

The President met with Myles J. Ambrose, Gordon L. Allott, James E. Baker, Samuel A. Alter,
Francis M. Buckley, Romualdo Caballero, William Callahan, Stephen J. Cloud, John F. Cooney,
William J. Corcoran, Frederick J. Dana, J. Michael Fitzsimmons, Stephen M. Fletcher, John C.
Gibbons, Charles Pinnell, Harold Jacquet, Samuel Levine, Eb. B. Luckel, Lee A. Marinaccio,
Michael D. Marrs, Jose E. Martinez, Scott T. Miller, Charles Morachnik, Alexia Morrison,
Norbert A. Nadel, Wayne H. Paris, Charles I. Poole, Irving Praeger, Vincent L. Promuto, Peter
M. Rosen, Benjamin P. Schoen, Daniel J. Sears, Robert Sprague, Anna Stool, Patrick Sullivan,
Rick Torres, Jay C. Waldman, Jackson White, John S. Wilbur, Jr., Dale R. Wright, Robert D.
Zitko, David Jaffe, Monty Gray, Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr., and Geoffrey C. Shepard; the White
House photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]


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     Drug Abuse Law Enforcement
          -Lawyers
               -Age
          -Heroin
               -Supply
               -Addicts
               -Arrests
               -Grand Jury
          -Courts
               -Federal
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           -Law changes
                  -Sentences
           -Treatment of pushers
           -Attorney General
                  -US Attorneys
           -Judges
                  -Attitude toward drug users and pushers
                  -Circuit court
           -Support for law enforcement officials
                  -San Francisco
                  -Washington, DC
-Possible punishment for sellers of narcotics
     -Department of Justice
     -US Attorneys
     -Richard G. Kleindienst
     -Effect on courts
           -Federal courts
           -State courts
                  -Governors
           -County and Superior courts
           -National Association of Attorneys General
                  -Jurisdictions
-Public opinion
     -District attorneys
     -Kleindienst
     -Courts
     -US Attorneys
     -Judges
     -Courts
           -District attorneys
           -State attorneys
           -Federal attorneys
     -District attorneys
           -Torres
-Judges and sentencing
     -Possible legislation
           -Mandatory sentencing
                  -President’s view
                  -Chief Justice
                        -Views
     -Possible approach to Federal judges
           -Judge Albert P. Murrah
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                  -Executive Office of US Courts
            -Warren E. Burger
            -Talking to judges
      -Selling heroin
            -Los Angeles
            -District courts
-Users and pushers
      -Economic motivations
-Probation officers
-Arrest figures
      -Sales to agents
      -New York
            -Heroin
                  -1972 election
                  -Grand juries
-Second term goals
      -Federal judges
      -Allocation
      -Congress
-Poll findings
      -Harris
      -Gallup
-Educating judges
      -Detroit
      -Confronting judges
      -Burger
            -Circuit court
            -American Bar Association
      -Probation officers
      -[Forename unknown] Kennan [sp?]
      -Police
            -San Francisco
                  -Movie “Dirty Harry”
                        -Clint Eastwood
      -Burger
-Setting up Office of Drug Abuse Law Enforcement [ODALE]
      -Miami
-Talking with judges
      -Contempt
-ODALE Group
-The law enforcement profession
      -Comparison to wartime military service
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               -Thomas E. Dewey
                     -Presidential nomination
           -Meeting participants
               -Age
               -Probation officers
               -US Attorneys
               -Contribution
               -Work
                     -Probation officer
                     -Judge
                     -Prosecutor
               -Youth
           -Congressional Black Caucus
               -Charles A. Rangel
                     -Harlem
                            -Democratic district
                     -Turkey


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     Turkey

[To listen to the segment (42s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-599.]

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                     -Puerto Ricans
                     -Blacks
                     -Housing
                     -Personal reminiscence
                -The President’s personal reminiscence
           -Drug problem in high income areas
                -Beverly Hills, Pacific Palisades, and Bel Air, California

     Gift presentation
           -Presidential cufflinks

The President left at 11:15 am

     [General conversation]
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     Call for questions
           -Foreign policy
           -Bureaucracy

Recording ends while the conversation is in progress; Ambrose, et al. left at an unknown time
before 5:31 pm