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Conversation: 113-002

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Start Date: 26-Jan-1973 8:37 AM

End Date: 26-Jan-1973 10:11 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Agnew, Spiro T. (Vice President)Scott, HughGriffin, Robert P.Cotton, NorrisBennett, Wallace F.Tower, John G.Brock, William E., IIIFord, Gerald R.Arends, Leslie C.Rhodes, John J.Conable, Barber B., Jr.Wilson, Robert C. ("Bob")Bush, George H. W.Ash, Roy L.Ehrlichman, John D.Timmons, William E.Cook, Richard K.Korologos, Thomas C.Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.Malek, Frederic V.Ziegler, Ronald L.Kleindienst, Richard G.Shultz, George P.Weinberger, Caspar W. ("Cap")

Recording Device: Cabinet Room

113a.mp3

113b.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 26, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Republican Congressional leaders, including Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Norris Cotton, Wallace F. Bennett, John G. Tower, William E. Brock, III, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, John J. Rhodes, Barber B. Conable, Jr., Robert C. ("Bob") Wilson, George H. W. Bush, Roy L. Ash, John D. Ehrlichman, William E. Timmons, Richard K. Cook, Thomas C. Korologos, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Frederic V. Malek, Ronald L. Ziegler, Richard G. Kleindienst, George P. Shultz, and Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 8:37 am to 10:11 am. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 113-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 113-2

Date: January 26, 1973
Time: 8:37 am - 10:11 am
Location: Cabinet Room

The President met with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Norris
Cotton, Wallace F. Bennett, John G. Tower, William E. Brock, III, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C.
Arends, John J. Rhodes, Barber B. Conable, Jr., Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson, George H. W. Bush,
Roy L. Ash, John D. Ehrlichman, William E. Timmons, Richard K. Cook, Thomas C.
Korologos, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Frederic V. Malek, Ronald L. Ziegler, Richard G. Kleindienst,
George P. Shultz, and Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger

     Republican leadership meeting
         -Agenda

     1974 Budget
          -Congress
          -1972 ceiling
          -1973, 1974, 1975
                -Increases
          -National economy
                -1972, 1973, 1974
          -Full employment budget
          -Programs
          -As a whole
                -Taxes
          -Limestone, Rural Electrification Administration [REA]

     1973 Budget
          -Expenditures
          -Deficit
          -Taxes as percentage of Gross National Product [GNP]
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1974 Budget
     -Charts
     -Data
           -President’s radio address
           -Increases by Congress
     -Deficits
     -Spending ceiling
           -Effect on future budgets
                 -Deficits
           -Tax increase
     -Dividends
     -Sources of income
     -Program cuts
           -Need for legislation
           -Medicaid, Medicare
           -Veterans’ Administration [VA]
                 -Pensions
           -Foreign economic assistance
           -US Department of Agriculture [USDA]
                 -Farm income
                       -Subsidies
           -Emergency loans
                 -Reforms
                       -Los Angeles earthquake
           -REA loans
                 -Lobbyists
           -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
           -USDA
           -Department of Transportation
           -Environmental Protection Agency [EPA]
           -Increases
                 -Department of Energy
                 -Department of Justice
           -Federal Aviation Administration [FAA]
           -1957, 1958, 1959, 1960
     -National economic growth
           -Effect of budget
           -Federal Reserve Board
           -Monetary policy
                 -Wilbur D. Mills, Arthur F. Burns
                 -1967, 1968, 1969
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          -Incomes policy
               -Inflation rate
          -Wage and price system
          -Expenditure controls
          -Impoundment
          -REA
          -Impoundment
               -Judicial history
               -Political history
                     -Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F.
                           Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson
                     -Congressional obligations
                     -Past Executive Branch actions
                     -Legal requirements
                           -Supreme Court
                     -Truman
                           -Veto
                     -Talking paper for congressmen
                           -History
          -Congress
               -Reassertion of authority
               -Debt limit
          -Administration’s ability to control budget
          -Economic stimulation
               -Tax reduction
          -Human resources compared with defense
               -Percent of budget
               -Military payroll
                     -Percentage
                     -Problems due to inflation
               -Increase


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     Defense costs

[To listen to the segment (1m12s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-607.]

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          -All-volunteer army
                -Personnel
                     -Manpower costs
                           -Ash
          -Increases

1974 Budget
     -Increases
           -Environmental programs
           -Aid to elderly
                 -Security, Medicare
           -Food assistance
                 -Food stamps, school lunch programs
                       -USDA
     -Welfare reform
           -1968
     -Republican approach
           -Private industry
           -Differences between Democrats and Republicans
                 -Expenditures
                 -Social programs
                 -Economic growth
     -Public relations
           -Impoundment
                 -Spending cuts
           -Inflation
           -Impoundment
                 -Democrats
                 -Terminology
                 -History
                 -Administration position
                 -Tax increases
                 -Program cuts
                       -Fiscal responsibility
           -Support for President
                 -Statements
                       -Democrats versus Republicans
     -Congress
           -Spending ceiling
                 -1974 budget
     -Increases
           -Medicare
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                -Civil rights programs
                       -Minority assistance
                       -Enforcement
                       -Education
                       -Amounts
                -Veterans
                -Food assistance
                -Environment
                       -Clean Water Act
                            -Pollution control
                -Agriculture
                       -Reduction of price supports
                            -Increase of farm income
                -Urban transportation
                -Housing
                       -Subsidies
                -Revenue sharing
           -Public statements
                -Ash’s briefing
                       -Supporting data

Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins entered at an unknown time after 8:37 am

     Photography

Atkins left at an unknown time before 10:11 am

     1974 budget
          -Revenue sharing
          -President’s speech
                -Language
          -Deficit
          -Cuts
          -Congress
          -Prosperity budget
          -Tax increases
          -Congress
          -Aid to impacted school districts
          -Peacetime budget
                -Program expenditures
          -Statements of support
          -Impact on national economy
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         -National situation
               -Peace and prosperity
               -Statements
         -Agriculture
               -Cheese and beef producers and consumers
               -Farm prosperity
                     -New world markets
         -Congress
               -Statements of support
                     -Importance
         -Aid to impacted school districts
         -Higher education
               -Aid
               -Defense funds
               -Protestors
               -Student money
               -Grants to faculty and universities

    Harry S. Dent
         -Return to South Carolina


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    Economy
        -Budget
             -Presidential veto
                   -Reasons
        -Economic projections
             -Stein
             -Shultz
                   -Fiscal policy
                   -Impoundments
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           -Effect of budget

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     President’s schedule

The President left at 10:11 am

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

Weinberger, et al. left at an unknown time before 10:34 am