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Start Date: 14-Nov-1972 9:36 AM

End Date: 14-Nov-1972 9:48 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Camp David Study Table

153-005.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone at Camp David from 9:36 am to 9:48 am. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 153-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 153-5

Date: November 14, 1972
Time: 9:36 am - 9:48 am
Location: Camp David Study Table

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

[See Conversation No. 224-11]

       Taiwan, Republic of China
            -William F. (“Billy”) Graham’s forthcoming trip
                  -Tokyo
                  -Taipei
                        -(Madame) Chiang Mayling Soong
                  -The President’s message
                        -Kissinger office cable
                              -Walter P. McConaughy
                              -Talking points
                              -Purpose

       Kissinger’s schedule
             -Dinner [with Ch’iao Kuan-hua] at Century Club
                   -Location
                        -New York

       Kissinger’s recent meeting with Ch’iao Kuan-hua
             -Prime Minster’s message to the President
                   -The President’s opening to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                          -The President’s reelection
             Vietnam negotiations
                   -Settlement agreement
                          -Timing
                          -PRC influence
                                  -6-

      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                          Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                    Conversation No. 153-5 (cont’d)

            -PRC position
                   -Tone
            -PRC position vis-à-vis North Vietnam
                   -Le Duc Tho’s forthcoming trip to Peking
            -PRC position
                   -Tone
                         -Gifts
      -PRC influence in Cambodia
      -Soviet-Union-PRC
            -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s post
            -Future US role
                   -Resistance to hegemony
                         -Second term
                   -Post-settlement period
                         -Peripheral wars
                                -Africa
      -Cambodia
            -US attitude toward Norodom Sihanouk
                   -PRC Query
                   -Communications
                         -Tranquility
                         -Presidential correspondence
                                -Absence of diplomatic relations
            -Settlement agreement
            -Sihanouk return
                   -Possibility
                         -Timing
            -Cease-fire
-Soviet Union-PRC relations
-Toast to the President by Ch’iao Kuan-hua
-Soviet Union-PRC relations
      -Ch’iao Kuan-hua’s attacks in United Nations [UN]
            -Nonuse of force
            -Renunciation of nuclear weapons
            -Nonuse of force
                   -Mongolia
      -Japan
            -Soviet possession of northern islands
-US-Japan relations
      -Military arrangement
                                       -7-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                        Conversation No. 153-5 (cont’d)

           -The President’s conversations with Chou En-Lai
                 -William P. Rogers’s conversation with PRC foreign minister
     -PRC-Japan relations
           -Trade
                 -Previous attempts at colonization
     -Tone
           -Vietnam War
     -Possible visit by Julie Nixon Eisenhower and [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II to
      PRC
     -Possible visit by Michael J. Mansfield to PRC
           -The President’s assistance
     -Tone

Soviet Union
     -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
           -Possible visit by Tricia Nixon Cox and Edward R. F. Cox
                 -Role

Vietnam negotiations
     -Nguyen Van Thieu’s letter to the President
          -The President’s forthcoming reply
          -Tone
          -Substance
                 -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
          -The President’s reply
                 -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
                      -Dangers
                      -US commitments
                      -Addressing Thieu’s concern
                            -Principle
                                  -North Vietnamese claims
                                  -Demilitarized zone [DMZ]
                                  -Demobilization of troops in South Vietnam
                                  -North Vietnamese claims
                                        -US protocol
                                               -Recognition of right to troops in South
                                                Vietnam
          -Points made
                 -Cosmetic nature
                 -Importance to Thieu, North Vietnamese
                                             -8-

                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                        Conversation No. 153-5 (cont’d)

                       -Attainability
                  -The President’s reply
                       -Timing