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Start Date: 14-Nov-1972 2:40 PM

End Date: 14-Nov-1972 3:08 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.

Recording Device: Camp David Study Table

153-020.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at Camp David from 2:40 pm to 3:08 pm. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 153-020 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 153-20

Date: November 14, 1972
Time: 2:40 pm - 3:08 pm
Location: Camp David Study Table

The President talked with Charles W. Colson.

[See Conversation No. 224-26]


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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                              Conversation No. 153-20 (cont’d)

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       1972 election
            -The President’s telephone call to Albert E. Sindlinger
                   -New York weather
                   -Banker’s club
                   -Sindlinger’s comments on Colson
                         -Politics

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       -Second term reorganization
            -Albert E. Sindlinger
                  -Recent conversation with the President
                        -Sindlinger’s business clientele
                        -Colson’s possible conversation with Sindlinger
                  -Treasury Department
                        -George P. Shultz
                  -Sampling techniques
                        -Bureau of Labor and Statistics [BLS]
                  -BLS


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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

       1972 election
            -Voter turnout
                   -Sindlinger’s predictions
                         -Increase
                         -Analysis
                   -Telegrams
                   -Clark MacGregor
                   -South
                   -North
                   -Key states
            -Thomas W. (“Teddy”) Gleason
                   -Telephone call to the President
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     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Mar.-08)

                                              Conversation No. 153-20 (cont’d)

     -Support for the President
     -[George S. McGovern]
-Thank you letters
     -Labor leaders
           -Form letters
                  -Labor for Nixon
                  -Review by Colson and Donald F. Rodgers
                        -Paul Hall
                               -San Francisco
                        -Gleason
                        -First names
                               -Familiarity
                               -List
     -Democrats for Nixon
     -George C. Wallace supporters
-McGovern statements
     -“Sour grapes”
     -Compared to Barry M. Goldwater
           -1964 election
     -Arrogance
     -Interview
           -Wallace vote
                  -Solicitation of support
           -The President’s charges
                  -Wavering
                        -Advertisement
     -Issues
           -R. Sargent Shriver’s statements
           -Campaign ineptness
     -Arrogance
           -Compared to Adolph Hitler
-McGovern
     -Democratic Party
     -Jean Westwood
     -Mailing lists
           -Value
           -Loan to Democratic National Committee
                  -Purpose
     -Statements on Democratic Party
           -Survival
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Mar.-08)

                                               Conversation No. 153-20 (cont’d)

           -Reactions
                  -George Meany, Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr.
                  -Southern Democrats
                  -James J. Delaney
-New Majority
     -Democracy
     -Democratic Party
           -Control by McGovern
-Democratic Party
     -Edward M. Kennedy
           -Control
                  -McGovern
           -Problems
           -Democratic National Committee Chairmanship
                  -Eight
           -Massachusetts
                  -State Democratic Party
     -Democratic National Committee
           -Fight
           -Governors
           -Westwood
     -McGovern
           -John B. Connally
           -Labor Leaders
                  -Meany
     -Reconciliation
           -Likelihood
     -Past splits
           -Compared to present split
                  -Ideology
-McGovern
     -Public image
     -Mistakes
           -Comparison to the President
                  -1960 election
                  -Public statements
                        -Timing
                               -Chicago
     -Democratic National Committee
           -Washington, DC
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                Conversation No. 153-20 (cont’d)

            -Westwood
     -Conflicts with Labor Leaders
            -Alexander E. Barkan
                  -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial
                  Organizations [AFL-CIO]
            -Reaction of Meany
            -Democratic Party
     -Meany
            -Georgia
     -Connally
-Democratic Party
     -Labor movement
-Votes
     -Totals
     -The President’s percentage
            -Associated Press [AP] count
            -White House count
                  -Recent gains
     -Missouri
            -Absentees
     -Alabama
     -Alaska
     -Arkansas
     -Colorado
     -Connecticut
            -Absentees
     -Georgia
     -Illinois
            -Different figures
                  -Secretaries of State
                  -AP figures
            -Absentees
     -New Jersey
     -North Dakota
     -South Carolina
     -Washington state
            -John G. Schmitz
                  -Oregon
                  -California
                  -Idaho
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Mar.-08)

                                               Conversation No. 153-20 (cont’d)

     -The President’s percentage
           -Compared to Lyndon B. Johnson
     -Final tally of votes
           -Completion date
                  -Certification
                         -Electors
           -Press reports
           -Georgia
           -South Carolina
           -Arkansas
           -New Jersey
     -Improvement in the President’s tally
           -AP figures
           -White House figures
                  -Secretaries of state
     -Final vote
           -Compared to Johnson
     -Total votes
           -White House figures
                  -McGovern
           -Different totals
           -AP figures
           -Schmitz
           -Inaccuracies
                  -Alabama
                         -Secretary of State
           -The President’s votes
                  -AP count
-Thank you letters
     -List
     -Personalization
     -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
           -Telegram from the President
           -Magazine
     -Importance
     -Local recipients
           -[First name unknown] Galtieri
                  -Pittsburgh
           -[First name unknown] Scamicci
           -John McCarroll [?]
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                               Conversation No. 153-20 (cont’d)

                  -Labor leaders
                         -Local and regional leaders
                               -Personalization
                  -Staff work
                         -1968 election
                  -Democrats
                  -Labor
                  -Ethnic leaders
                  -Timing
            -Inauguration invitation lists
            -Invitation lists
                  -Church services
                  -Evenings at White House
                  -Church services
                         -Adults
                         -Children

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      -John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
            -Seats
                  -Labor leaders
                  -Colson’s use
                  -Businessmen
                  -Donald McI. Kendall
                  -Cabinet officers
                  -Effect

      Press relations
            -Hugh S.Sidey article in Life, November 14, 1972
                   -New Establishment
                        -The President’s accomplishment
                             -Masses
                                    -Kennedy
                                    -Aura
                                           -Identification with the President
                             -Power shift
                        -Reproduction
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                           Conversation No. 153-20 (cont’d)

                       -New Majority
                            -Labor, Democrats, Catholics
             -New Majority