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Start Date: 14-Nov-1972 10:04 AM

End Date: 14-Nov-1972 12:40 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Ehrlichman, John D.[Unknown person(s)]Camp David OperatorZiegler, Ronald L.Butterfield, Alexander P.Jackson, Henry M. ("Scoop")

Recording Device: Camp David Hard Wire

224-015a.mp3

224-015b.mp3

224-015c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, unknown person(s), Camp David operator, Ronald L. Ziegler, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Henry M. ("Scoop") Jackson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 10:04 am to 12:40 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 224-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 224-15

Date: November 14, 1972
Time: 10:04 am - 12:40 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman.

        The President’s recent conversation with Mamie G. D. Eisenhower
             -Birthday

        1973 Inauguration
             -Church services
                   -The President’s recent conversation with William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                   -1969 inauguration
                         -Governors, Congress
                   -The President’s attendance
                   -Religious character
                   -Distraction
                   -Prayer breakfast
                   -The President's attendance
                   -Graham
                   -The President’s schedule
                          -J. Willard (“Bill”) Marriott, Jr.
                   -Invitations
                          -Edmund Ray [?]
                          -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
             -Preparations
                  -Comparison to 1969
                          -Abraham Lincoln
                          -Inaugural book
                          -Speeches
                                -Theodore Roosevelt [TR]
                                -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
             -Church services
                   -1969 inauguration
                         -The President’s schedule
                          -Edward L. R. Elson
                          -Governors, Cabinet
                   -Promotion of religion
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                                                     Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                  -White House
            -Knight errantry
            -Statement
            -Prayers
                  -Clergymen
                         -Greek Orthodox
                         -Jewish
                         -Catholic
                         -Protestant
     -Mark Treisch
     -Congressional role
     -Parade
            -Control
     -Inaugural committee
     -White House
     -John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
            -Entertainment
                  -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                  -Tricia Nixon Cox
     -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
            -Job at foundation
                  -Documentary film production
            -Work on inaugural
                  -Pay
                  -Travel expenses
                         -West
     -Documentaries
            -Editors
                  -The President’s trips to the People’s Republic of China [PRC],
                  Soviet Union
            -Timing
                  -Audience
                         -Compared to readership for book
            -1972 campaign
                  -Compared to George S. McGovern
            -Editor
                  -Advocacy

Winston S. Churchill
     -Biography: [The War That Churchill Waged]
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                                                     Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

          -[Earl of Cromer] George R.S. Baning
     -Lewis Broad
          -Quotation

Public relations [PR]
      -Image of the President
             -Robert B. Semple, Jr. article
             -Crucial decisions of first term
                   -Cambodia
                   -May 8, 1972
                   -PRC opening
                   -August 15, 1971 announcement
                   -Family Assistance Plan
                         -Courage
                   -Henry A. Kissinger
                         -Vietnam
                               -John B. Connally
                               -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                               -Bombing
                               -Barry M. Goldwater
      -Documentaries
             -Editors
                   -Viewpoint
                   -Darryl F. Zanuck
                         -Support for Dwight D. Eisenhower
                               -Crusade in Europe
             -Churchill
                   -The Finest Hours
             -Patton
                   -Book
                   -[George C. Scott]
                   -Producer [Frank McCarthy]
             -Honesty
             -Semple
             -John F. Osborne
             -Frank Van Der Linden
             -Advocacy
                   -1972 campaign
             -Expenses
                   -Foundation
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                                                Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

          -Supporters of the President
          -Writing
                -Conservative
                      -Patrick J. Buchanan
                -Abilities
                      -Poet
                -Hugh S. Sidey
                      -Compared to Theodore H. (“Teddy”) White
          -Churchill movie [Young Winston]
                -Techniques
                -Portrayal of Churchill
                      -Warmth
                      -Qualities
                            -Vanity, ambition
                      -Mother [Jennie (Jerome) Churchill]
                      -Father [Randolph Churchill]
                            -Syphilis
                      -Marlborough: His Life and Times

          -Editor
     -Supporters
          -Research
          -Intellectuals
          -Writers

Second term reorganization
     -Winston Churchill
           -Biographies
           -Britain
                 -Cabinet formation
                       -Benjamin Disraeli
                             -Hughenden Manor
                       -Resignations
     -Cabinet changes
           -Novelty
     -Franklin D. Roosevelt
     -Lincoln
     -Dwight D. Eisenhower
           -1956 election
                 -Heart attack
                                   -18-

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                                                     Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                 -House of Representatives, Senate
     -Arthur S. Fleming
     -The President's goals
     -Robert Finch
           -Concerns
     -Telephone calls to Ehrlichman
     -The President’s schedule
           -Agnew
           -Connally
           -Roy L. Ash
     -Ash
           -Role in administration
     -Agnew
     -Legality

Budget
    -The President’s concern
    -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
    -Frank C. Carlucci
    -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr
    -George P.Schultz
    -Herbert Stein
    -Impact on economy
          -George T. Humphrey's remark
                -Eisenhower
                -Recession
    -Cuts
          -Social programs
                -Weinberger
                      -Milk Fund
                      -School funds
                      -Judgment
                      -Department of Health, Education and Welfare
          -Return from Philadelphia
          -Changes
          -Clean Water Bill
                -Proposals for the President
                -Certification of projects
                      -William D. Ruckelshaus
                -Repeal
                                           -19-

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                                                              Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                         -Expenditures
                               -Ruckelshaus
                   -Environmental programs
                   -School lunches
                         -Problems
                               -Weinberger
                               -Shultz
                   -Model cities
                         -Gerald R. Ford
                   -Education
                         -Higher education
                         -National Science Foundation [NSF]

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:04 am

        Refreshments
             -Delivery

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 11:36 am.

                   -Military
                         -Kissinger
                   -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
                         -Control
                         -Left wingers
                         -[Homosexuals]
                   -Defense Intelligence Agency [DIA]
                         -Waste
                         -Intelligence product
                                -Value


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                                                           Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)


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                       -White House
                             -Secret Service
                             -Example
                             -Nelson A. Rockefeller’s view
                             -Charles W. Colson's office


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       Agnew
           -1976 Election
                 -Presidential candidates
                       -Agnew
                             -Compared to Charles H. Percy
                             -Compared to John B. Anderson
                       -Edward M. Kennedy
                       -The President’s support
           -Role as Vice President
                 -Limits
                       -Staff cuts
                       -Compared to the President’s service as Vice President
                       -Strategy for handling
                             -Denial of the President’s support
                                   -Second term independence
                             -Leverage
                                   -Secrecy
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                                              Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Chances of nomination
      -Compared to 1960 election
             -Eisenhower
             -John Foster Dulles
             -Christian A. Herter
             -The President’s efforts
                   -Compared to Agnew’s efforts
                         -South, Midwest
-Denial of the President’s support
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
      -Contacts for Agnew
             -Mayors
             -Ronald Reagan
      -Political aspect
             -Advantages for Agnew
             -Disadvantages for the President
-Assignments
      -Bicentennial
             -Problems
             -Advantages
                   -Travel
                   -Visibility
-1976 plans
      -Current activities
             -Compared to the President in 1960
                   -Travel
                   -Television
                   -Golf
             -Image
                   -Republican delegates
      -Rivals
             -Kennedy
                   -Defeat
             -Connally
                   -Delayed decision
             -Cabinet
                   -Elliot L. Richardson
                   -Peter G. Peterson
      -The President’s choice
-Abilities as President
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                                                    Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

          -Energy
          -Leadership
                 -Staff respect
          -Supporters
                 -Buchanan
                 -Right wingers
          -Compared to Goldwater
                 -Intelligence
                 -Candidate
    -Supporters
          -Compared to the President’s supporters
                 -Intelligence
                 -Right wingers
                 -Left wingers
                 -Loyalty
                 -Human Events
                       -M. Stanton Evans
                       -[Unintelligible name]
                       -Goldwater
    -Views
          -Race
          -Liberalism
          -Spending policies
                 -Inconsistency
    -Foreign policy
          -Contrast with Connally
                 -Strength
                 -Judgment
          -Stubbornness
    -Office of Intergovernmental Relations
    -Alternative presidential candidate
          -The President’s support
          -William E. Brock III
          -Options
          -Roosevelt
          -Eisenhower
          -Ambition

1972 election
     -Media commentary
                                            -23-

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                                                          Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                  -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston, Thomas Grey (“Tom”) Wicker
              -Democratic party
                  -Internal conflicts
                         -Jean Westwood
                  -George C. Wallace vote
                         -McGovern statement
                               -Ronald L. Ziegler comment
                  -McGovern
                         -White House statements
                         -R. Sargent Shriver, Jr.
                         -Surrogates
                               -Attacks

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Ehrlichman talked with the Camp David operator at an unknown time between 10:04 am and
11:36 am. Haldeman and the President can be heard in the background.

[Conversation No. 224-15A]

[See Conversation No. 183-1]

        Kissinger’s schedule
              -Trip to Paris
                    -Announcement
                          -Ziegler
                          -Trip to Camp David

[End of telephone conversation]


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        Agnew
            -Alternative presidential candidate

        Second term reorganization
             -Goals
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                                                          Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                    -Access to the President
                         -The President’s inclination
                         -Cabinet meetings

Ehrlichman talked with Ziegler at an unknown time between 10:04 am and 11:36 am.

[Conversation No. 224-15B]

[See Conversation No. 183-2]

The President conferred with Haldeman at an unknown time between 10:04 am and 11:36 am.

        1972 election
             -White House statements
                    -Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr.
                    -Westwood
                    -Shriver
                    -McGovern
             -Wallace vote

[End of telephone conversation]

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        Second term reorganization
             -Five principle areas
             -Policy making groups
                   -Domestic, economic, foreign policy
                   -Economic policy
                         -Foreign and domestic economics
                         -Stein
                         -Shultz
                         -Cost of Living Council
                         -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
                         -Treasury Department
                         -Commerce Department
                         -Labor Department
             -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
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                                                 Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

      -Role contrasted to domestic policy making group
            -Implementation
                  -White House staff
-Assignments for five principle areas
      -Ehrlichman, Haldeman
      -Economic policy
            -Shultz
                  -Dual role
                        -Secretary of the Treasury, advisor to the President
      -Foreign policy
            -Kissinger
      -OMB
            -Ash
      -White House staff
            -Haldeman
-Structure
      -Office of Management and Budget
            -Ash
                  -Problem
                        -Compared to Robert S. McNamara
                  -Temporary assignment
                        -Reorganization
                        -Permanent replacement
                              -Frederic V. Malek
            -Malek
                  -Temperament
                  -Judgment
                        -Personnel
            -Ash
                  -Outsider
                  -Understanding
      -Organization chart
            -Foreign policy
                  -Kissinger
                        -Defense Department
                        -State Department
                        -CIA
            -Domestic policy
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -Super secretaries
                                             -26-

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                                                             Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                                       -Natural Resources
                                             -Interior
                                       -Community Development
                                       -Human Resources
                                       -Natural Resources
                                             -Secretary of the Interior
                                       -Community Development
                                             -Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
                                                    -Secretary of Agriculture
                                                          -Delegation of authorities
                                       -Secretary of Transportation
                                             -Coast Guard
                                                    -Delegation to Defense Department
                                                    -Legal status
                                                    -John A. Volpe successor
                                                    -Melvin R. Laird successor
                                                    -Troop deployment, force levels
                                -Justice Department
                                       -Human Resources
                                       -Richardson
                                       -Weinberger
                                       -Areas of responsibility
                                             -Court appointments, prosecutions, anti-trust
                                       -Attorney General
                                             -Relations with the President
                                       -Richard G. Kleindienst

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 10:00 am.

        Telephone call from Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 11:36 am.

        Second term reorganization
             -Domestic policy
                   -Compared to the Domestic Council

        Telephone calls
             -Birthday calls
                   -Mamie G. D. Eisenhower
                                   -27-

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                                                   Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

     -Jackson
           -Tel Aviv
     -Birthday calls

Second term reorganization
     -Justice Department
            -Attorney General
                  -Kleindienst
                  -John N. Mitchell
                        -Press story
            -Changes
                  -Appointments
                        -Assistant Attorney Generals
                        -Deputy Attorney General
     -Councils
            -National Security Council [NSC]
            -Agnew
            -Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP] director [Gen. George A.
            Lincoln]
            -Domestic Council
                  -Cuts
                  -Policy making
                  -Members
                        -Super Secretaries
                        -Attorney General
                              -Mitchell
                              -Kleindienst
                        -Natural resources group
                              -Policy group
                                     -Secretaries of Agriculture, Commerce
                        -Contacts with the President
                              -The President’s possible trip to Israel
                        -Cabinet meetings
                              -Budget
                        -Agriculture Department
                              -Secretary
                                     -Conditions of job
                                     -Earl L. Butz
                                     -Dealings with farmers
                                     -Natural resources group
                                 -28-

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                                             Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                               -Economic Development Group
            -Public announcements
            -Purpose
                  -Executive branch efficiency
                  -Delegation of authority
                         -White House staff
            -Natural resources group
                  -Rogers C. B. Morton
                  -Congressional opposition
                  -Title for job
                         -Counselor for Natural Resources
                         -Secretary of the Interior
                  -Finch
                  -Donald H. Rumsfeld
                  -Policy group
            -Current role of White House staff
                  -Mediation
                         -Butz and Morton
                               -Forest lands
            -Counselor Natural Resources
                  -Butz
                  -Morton
                         -George P. Herzog
            -Super secretaries
                  -Offices
                         -Executive Office Building
            -Under Secretaries
                  -Management responsibilities
            -Congressional approval
            -Counselors
                  -Responsibility to the President
-NSC
       -Kissinger
       -Current set-up
             -OEP
             -Membership
       -Meetings
       -Foreign Policy Council
       -Generation of peace
       -Staff cuts
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                                             Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

            -Kissinger
-Domestic Council
      -Staff cuts
            -NSC
      -Delegation of work to departments
            -Analysis, mediation, papers, speeches
-Economic policy
      -OMB
            -Impact on budget, management
-Foreign Policy Council
      -Meetings
      -Kissinger
      -The President
      -NSC role
            -Agnew
-Shultz
      -Office
            -EOB
      -Secretary of the Treasury
      -Responsibilities
            -Foreign and Economic Policy Council
            -Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]
      -Peter M. Flanigan
-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
-Kissinger
      -Meetings
     -Vietnam
             -Settlement agreement
     -White House staff role
             -Haldeman, Erlichman
-Control of bureaucracy
      -Ash
      -Lines of authority
      -Independent agencies
            -Subordination
            -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
-Rockefeller
-Ash
      -OMB
      -Public relations
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                                                Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

            -The President’s Advisory Council on Executive Organization
              [PACEO]
            -Rockefeller
            -Blue room presentation [November 19, 1970?]
-Connally
       -Support
-Complexities
-Politics
       -FDR
       -TR
       -Lincoln
       -TR
             -Hyphenated Americans
                    -Jewish, Catholic appointments
       -FDR
       -Butz
             -Constituencies for departments
                    -Farmers
                           -Interior Department
                    -Environmentalists
-Super secretaries
       -Weinberger
             -Human Resources, HEW
       -Shultz
             -Economic Development
       -Community Development
             -Secretary of HUD
                    -Under Secretary
       -The President’s liaisons with departments
             -Cabinet role
                    -Staff
                           -Conglomerate corporation
                                  -Litton Industries
                                        -Ash
-Agnew
       -Forthcoming conversation
             -Cuts in White House staff
                    -Symbolism
             -Staff
                    -Quality
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                                              Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                 -Size
           -National Aeronautics and Space Council
           -Indian Opportunity Council
           -Youth Employment Council
                 -Human Resources
           -Role
           -Bicentennial
           -1976 plans
                 -Controversies
                 -Travel
           -Office of Intergovernmental Relations [OIR]
                 -Counselor for Community Development
                       -Rural, urban
                 -Governors and mayors
                       -EOB
                 -OMB
                       -Ash
           -The President’s reluctance
                 -Ash
-Councils
     -Leadership
           -Foreign policy
           -Domestic policy
                  -Erlichman
           -Shultz
                  -Job title
     -Announcement
           -Emphasis on counselors, Cabinet
     -PR
           -Cuts in White House staff
                  -Impact on public
-White House staff
     -Labor leader
           -Colson’s view
           -Politics
     -Jews
           -Leonard Garment
-Labor representative
     -Labor Secretary
           -Role
                                           -32-

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                                                           Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

              -Jews
              -Human Resources
                    -Arts
              -Science advisor
                    -The President’s Science Advisory Committee [PSAC]
                    -Office of Science and Technology [OST]
                          -Science advisor
                          -Eisenhower
                                -Sputnik
                          -Special drug advisor
                    -Cancer research
                          -HEW
                    -Independent agencies
                          -Reporting channels
                    -Economic Development
                          -PSAC
                                -Military and Foreign Policy
              -Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
                    -Kissinger
              -Kissinger
                    -Responsibilities
                          -Selective Service Administration
                          -ACDA
              -Ash
              -OST
                    -Division
              -John J. McCloy committee
              -The President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [PFIAB]
                    -Kissinger
              -Delegation of responsibilities
              -Cabinet officers
                    -Resignations
                    -Condition of employment

        The President’s schedule

The President talked with the Camp David operator at an unknown time between 10:04 am and
11:36 am.

[Conversation No. 224-15C]
                                           -33-

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                                                           Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)


[See Conversation No. 153-8]

[End of telephone conversation]

        White House operators
             -Transfer to Camp David

        Press relations
              -Trailer
                     -Briefings
                           -Announcement, November 17, 1972
                                -Kissinger
                                -Ziegler

        The President's schedule
             -Possible television [TV] appearance

        Vietnam negotiations
             -PR plan
                  -Meetings with Haldeman, Kissinger and Ziegler

        Agnew
            -Staff
                     -Resignations

        Second term reorganization
             -PFIAB
             -Plans
                   -Deadline
             -Implementation
                   -Announcement
                         -The President's schedule
                              -Florida
                              -Staff work
                         -PR
                              -Raymond K. Price, Jr.

The President talked with Jackson between 11:36 am and 11:41 am.
                                              -34-

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                                                               Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

[Conversation No. 224-15D]

[See Conversation No. 153-9]

[End of telephone conversation]

        Second term reorganization
             -Secretary of Defense
                   -Jackson
                         -Problems
                               -Daniel J. Evans
                                    -Republican


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        1972 election
             -Republican Party
                    -Credit for victories
                         -Evans
                         -Ford
                                 -Robert P. Griffin
                                 -John G. Tower
                         -Evans
                                 -Erlichman’s trip
                                 -The President’s telephone call

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        Second term reorganization
             -Replacement for Jackson
                   -Pressure on Evans
                   -Democrats for Nixon
                         -Goodwin Chase
                               -Anthony G. Chase
                                    -Small Business Administration [SBA]
                               -Background
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                                                          Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                                  -Banking
            -Secretary of Defense
                  -Jackson
                        -The President’s previous offer
                        -Edward M. Kennedy
                        -Religion
                              -Catholic, Lutheran
                        -Kennedy
                              -Campaign manager
                        -Richardson
                              -Congressional relations
                        -“Message to Garcia” [Nguyen Van Thieu]
                              -John A. McCone
                        -Presidential aspirations
                              -Vice Presidency
                                     -Kennedy
                        -“Message to Garcia” [Thieu]
                        -Plans
                        -Age
                        -Governmental Operations Committee chair
                        -Retirement pension


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                       -Wealth
                            -Warren G. (“Maggie”) Magnuson

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                       -Family
                              -Age
                              -Children [Anna M. Jackson, Peter H. Jackson]
                              -Wife [Helen Eugenia (Hardin) Jackson]
                       -Political views

       1972 election
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                                                     Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

     -Henry Jackson
          -Support for George S. McGovern
                -Washington

Second term reorganization
     -Defense Department
           -William Clements
                 -Republican
           -Jackson
     -Appointments
           -Notifications
           -Henry Jackson
           -Gordon L. Allott
           -Jack R. Miller
           -Alcott
                 -Age
                 -Loyalty
                 -Complaints
                       -Interior Department
                              -Under Secretary
                                   -James D. Schlesinger, Jr.
     -CIA
           -Schlesinger
           -Personnel cuts
                 -DIA
     -Defense Department
           -Personnel cuts
                 -Kissinger
                 -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                 -Necessity
            -Jackson
            -Richardson
           -Clements
     -State Department
           -[David] Kenneth Rush
                 -Support
                       -Problems
                              -Managerial ability
                 -Berlin
                 -Loyalty
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                                             Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

            -Conditions of appointment
                  -Under secretary
      -Rockefeller
      -Richardson
            -Foreign Service
      -Under Secretary
      -Under Secretary for Political Affairs
            -U. Alexis Johnson
      -Under Secretary
            -Frank C. Carlucci
                  -Foreign Service
                  -Personnel cuts
                  -OMB
                        -Management performance
                              -Rio de Janeiro embassy
                                    -Staff cuts
                  -Office of Economic Opportunities [OEO]
                        -Legal services project
                              -Los Angeles
                  -OMB performance
                        -Shultz’s view
                              -Arnold H. Weber
                              -Malek
                  -Cabinet post
                  -Under Secretary for Political Affairs
                  -Rush
                  -Special projects
                        -Foreign Service
            -Kissinger’s recommendation
            -William J. Casey
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
      -Casey
            -Interest
      -Appointment
            -Loyalty
            -Credentials
-State Department
      -Under Secretary
            -Credentials
            -Loyalty
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                                       Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

           -James T. Lynn
                  -Background
     -Casey
           -Background
     -Malek
           -Rush
-Under Secretary for Political Affairs
     -Johnson
     -Foreign Service
     -Kissinger
     -Age
     -David R. Young, Jr.
     -David Osborne
           -Counsel General to Hong Kong
           -Loyalty
                  -PRC
           -Desire for change
           -Political views
                  -Foreign Service
     -Charles Whitehouse
           -Kissinger
     -Eugene Carson Blake
           -Whittier
           -Adlai E. Stevenson, II
           -R. Sargent Shriver
           -Relationship by marraige
                  -Joseph W. Alsop
                  -White House
                        -Loyalty
-Under Secretary
     -Carlucci
     -Paul H. Nitze
           -“Georgetown set”
           -Relationship to Dean G. Acheson
           -Loyalty
     -Casey
           -Economic issues
                  -William P. Rogers
                  -Flanigan
     -Titles
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                                                Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                   -Under Secretary for Economic Affairs
                        -Irwin
                   -Under Secretary for Political Affairs
                        -Johnson
                   -Under Secretary for Coordinating Security Assistance
                        Programs
                        -Curtis W. Tarr
           -Tarr
                   -Expertise
                   -Age
                   -Selective Service System
                   -Rogers
            -David M. Abshire
                   -Political views
                          -Conservatism
                   -Foreign Service
                          -Rogers
                   -Relationship to Adm. George W. Anderson, Jr.
                          -[Carolyn Lamar (Sample) Abshire]
            -William B. Macomber, Jr.
            -Abshire
                   -Congressional relations
                   -Foreign service
            -Macomber
                   -Abilities
                   -Loyalty
                   -Work with Shultz
                          -Walker
-Treasury Department
      -Schultz’s view
      -Paul A. Volcker
      -Walker
      -Volcker
            -Loyalty
            -Intelligence
      -Walker
            -House Ways and Means Committee
            -Replacement
            -Under Secretary
      -Flanigan
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                                                     Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                -Work with Shultz
                -Confirmation problem
                -Other Under Secretary positions
                       -Interior, Agriculture, Transportation Departments
                       -Dillon, Read, and Co.
     -State Department
           Under Secretary positions
                -Title
                       -Economic affairs

Second term reorganization
     -Henry Jackson
           -Schedule
           -State Department, Defense Department, ACDA
           -Meeting with President
     -State Department
           -Secretary of Defense
                 -Malek
                 -Kissinger
                 -Rush
           -Under Secretary
                 -Casey
     -IRS
           -Casey
                 -Malek’s candidate
                 -[George D. Webster]
                       -Confirmation Problem
     -Casey
           -State Department
     -Richardson
           -Defense Department
           -HEW
                 -Plan for personnel cuts
                       -Block grant approach
     -Weinberger
           -IRS
           -State Department
                 -Under Secretary
           -Federal Trade Commission [FTC]
           -State Department
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                                              Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

             -Washington, DC social set
-Rockefeller
      -Secretary of Defense
             -Kissinger
      -Recruitment
             -Difficulties
             -Gains to administration
      -State Department
-Jackson
      -Israel trip
-Richardson
      -HEW personnel cuts
      -Personnel cuts at the Defense Department
-Personnel cuts
      -Proposals
             -Morton
             -Peter G. Peterson
             -Butz
-Richardson
      -Attorney General
      -Civil rights approach
             -HEW
      -Justice Department
             -Mitchell, Kleindinst
                   -Symbolism
                          -South
-Kleindienst
      -Retention at Justice Department
             -Conditions
                   -Subordinates
                          -Loyalty
-Appointments
      -Meetings with Haldeman, Ehrlichman
      -Possible written agreements
             -Congressional pressures
-Rogers
      -Departure from administration
             -Other cabinet members
                   -George W. Romney
                   -John A. Volpe
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                                               Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Departures
     -Romney
     -Volpe
     -Laird
     -Romney
-Cabinet officers
     -Resignations
            -Timing
                  -Romney
                        -Richard C. Van Dusen
                               -Recess appointment
            -No exceptions
     -Replacements
            -Recommendations
                  -Connally and Mitchell
            -Romney
            -Volpe
            -Rogers
                  -Timing
                        -Vietnam
                               -Settlement agreement
                  -Conflicts with Kissinger
            -PR
                  -Announcements
                  -Stories on changes
                  -Presidential TV appearances
     -Meetings with the President at Camp David
            -Announcements
                  -Ziegler
                        -Ash
     -Announcements
            -Jackson
            -Timing
                  -Leaks
                  -Publicity for each officer
-Announcements
     -Staff cuts
     -Reorganization plans
            -Ehrlichman’s role
     -Cabinet officers
                             -43-

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                                            Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

            -Order
                  -State Department, Defense Department
     -Independent agencies
            -Shultz
     -Cabinet
            -Shultz
                  -Economic policy
            -Kleindienst
            -Butz
            -Rogers
            -Morton
                  -Problems
                         -Congressional relations
                         -Relationship with the President
                               -Anne (Jonas) Morton
                  -Retention
                         -Bureau of Indian Affairs
                         -Butz
                  -Ambassadorship to Canada
                  -Departure
                  -Tenure in office
-Cabinet officers
     -Orientation session
     -Butz
            -Appointment
                  -Interior Department
            -Loyalty
     -Shultz
            -Loyalty
     -Richardson
     -Weinberger
            -Department of Housing and Urban Development
            -Credibility
            -Super secretary
                  -Community development
            -Revenue sharing
            -Background
     -Richardson
            -HEW
            -The President’s views
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                                                Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                   -Education, health, busing
            -Political orientation
            -Credibility
                   -Humane
            -Busing
-Orientation session
      -Weinberger
            -HUD
      -Ash
      -Richardson
      -Butz
      -Kliendienst
            -Attorney General
            -Retention
                   -Conditions
            -Reform of Justice Department
      -Henry E. Peterson
            -Retention
                   -[Watergate]
            -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] directorship
-FBI
      -Jerry K. Wilson
            -Loyalty
            -Reputation
            -Managerial abilities
      -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
            -Departure
            -Confirmation
                   -Problem
                   -Deputy Attorney General
-Gray
      -Under Secretary of State
            -Background
                   -Adm. Arthur W. Radford
            -Loyalty
                   -FBI
-Casey
      -Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC]
      -CIA
            -Schlesinger
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                                                Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

        -IRS
        -State Department
              -Under Secretary
-Gray
        -FBI
        -Under Secretary of State
        -Toughness
        -[Watergate]
        -Subordinates
             -Problems
-FBI
     -Removal of officials
            -Wilson
                  -Desire for job
            -Gray
     -Wilson
            -Washington, DC police department
-Walter E. Washington
-George H.W. Bush
     -Loyalty
     -Managerial ability
     -Cabinet position
     -Personality
     -Interior Secretary
            -Abilities
                  -Compared to Morton
     -Background
            -Texas
     -Indians
-Morton
     -Departure
            -Butz as counselor
                  -Farm Belt
     -Ambassadoship to Canada
            -Pipeline
            -Work with Canadians
                  -Successes
            -Pierre E. Trudeau
                  -U.S.-Canada relations
                        -Minority government
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                                                         Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

                                -Wire to the President
                                -Political orientation
                                       -Chou En-Lai
                                -Constituency
                                       -Quebec

        The President's schedule
             -Haldeman’s and Ehrlichman’s meeting with Ash and Malek
                   -Timing
                          -Harry S. Dent

Ehrlichman and Haldeman left at 12:40 pm.