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Start Date: 7-Dec-1972 1:05 PM

End Date: 7-Dec-1972 1:20 PM

Participants:

Ehrlichman, John D.Webster, George D.

Recording Device: Camp David Hard Wire

234-010.mp3

NARA Description:

On December 7, 1972, John D. Ehrlichman and George D. Webster met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 1:05 pm to 1:20 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 234-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 234-10

Date: December 7, 1972
Time: 1:05 pm – 1:20 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

John D. Ehrlichman met with George D. Webster.

      Second term reorganization
           -Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
                 -Webster confirmation
                       -Effect on the President
                 -Edwin S. Cohen
                 -George P. Shultz
                 -Bureaucracy
                 -Effect on the President
                 -[American Bar Association] [ABA] Tax Section chairmen
                       -Unknown person
                 -Bureaucracy
                       -Ehrlichman’s conversation with Shultz
                       -Johnnie M. Walters
                 -Webster’s contact with administration

      Common Cause
          -Lawsuit against Committee to Reelect the President [CRP]
               -The President
               -Defense
                      -Ultra Vires
                            -Political activity
                                   -Tax exempt status
               -Settlement
                      -Maurice H. Stans
                            -Defense waiver
               -Tax exempt status challenge
               -Settlement
                      -Timing
                            -1972 election
          -Governing or litigation committee
               -Democrats
                      -John W. Dean, III
                                     -10-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. May-08)

                                                     Conversation No. 234-10 (cont’d)

      -Mitchell Rogovin

IRS
      -Roger Barth
            -Deputy Chief Counsel
            -Retention
            -Conversation with Ehrlichman
                  -State Department
                        -Ruling on exemption for prisoners of war [POWs] organization
                              -White House
            -Policy
                  -Vietnam War
                  -The President’s interests
            -Conflict with bureaucracy
      -Cohen
            -Retention
                  -Congressional relations
                  -Tax reform
      -Frederic W. Hickman
      -John H. Hall
            -Deputy to Hickman
            -Los Angeles
            -Dana Latham
                  -IRS Commissioner
                  -Dwight D. Eisenhower

Webster’s background
    -Government experience
           -Harvard University Law School
           -Justice Department tax division
                  -Tax cases
                        -Circuit
                        -Ehrlichman’s law firm
                              -Unknown person
                                   -Wife

Second term reorganization
     -Webster’s confirmation
           -Opposition
                 -[Sutherland, Asbill & Brennan]
                                     -11-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. May-08)

                                                     Conversation No. 234-10 (cont’d)

                       -Randolph W. Thrower
                       -Mac Asbill, Jr.
                             -ABA Tax Section chairman
                       -William French Smith [?]
                       -Thrower
                       -Washington, DC and Atlanta

Webster’s background
    -Washington, DC
           -Justice Department
           -Marriage
    -Rogersville, Tennessee
           -Knoxville
    -Webster’s conversation with the President
           -Tennessee
           -Ivy League
                  -Harvard University
    -Education
           -Harvard University
                  -The President’s view
                        -Yale University
                        -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                  -James T. Lynn
                        -Adelbert College of Western Reserve University
                        -Ohio
                  -Weinberger
                  -Elliot L. Richardson
           -Maryville College
                  -Presbyterian affiliation
           -Navy
           -Ehrlichman’s background
                  -GI Bill
                        -Stanford University
                        -Harvard University
                        -Stanford
           -Navy
                  -West Coast
           -Stanford
           -Harvard
           -Ehrlichman’s background
                                            -12-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. May-08)

                                                        Conversation No. 234-10 (cont’d)

                        -Compared to Webster’s
                             -Graduation dates
                        -Undergraduate career
                        -Law school
                        -Law firm
                             -Length of practice
                             -Income
                        -Counsel to the President

Ehrlichman and Webster left at 1:20 pm.