Conversation No. 254-4

Date: May 28, 1971
Time: 3:00 pm - 5:01 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:00 pm


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[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 3:00 pm and
3:10 pm]

[Conversation No. 254-4A]

[See Conversation No. 3-179]

[End of telephone conversation]                                      Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)

     Proposed statute on executive pay

[The President talked with Stephen B. Bull between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm]

[Conversation No. 254-4B]

[See Conversation No. 3-180]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Executive pay
         -Assistant secretaries
               -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
               -John B. Connally
                     -Staff needs
                           -Department of Transportation [DOT]
         -Position levels
         -Arthur [F. Burns?]
         -Salaries
         -Connally
         -Pay increase for government employees
               -Public opinion
               -Level 1
               -Deputies
               -Amount
               -Timing
               -Level 1
               -DOT
               -Connally
               -Press
               -Number
         -A commission
               -Level 4
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     -Amount
     -New positions
     -Considerations
     -Department of Treasury, Department of Commerce
     -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
     -Super grades
     -Connally
     -Level 3, level 2                                         Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)

Technology
    -Studies
          -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA], saline water, breeder
                reactor
    -Peter G. Peterson
          -Meetings with outside groups
    -Technical issues
    -Bernard Freer [?]
          -Del Shriver [?], Peter M. Flanigan
          -Government research and development [R&D]
          -Gayford [?] Commission
                -Purpose
                -Recommendations
          -A possible new commission
                -Gayford [?] Commission
                      -Report
                      -Shriver
    -Saline water
          -William E. Kreigsman
                -Arthur Loeb [?]
                -Atomic Energy Commission [AEC], Office of Science and Technology
                      [OST]
          -Admiral Lewis L. Strauss
          -John A. McCone
          -Lyndon B. Johnson
          -Saline water
          -AEC
          -Department of the Interior
          -NASA
                -Funding, bureaucracy
          -Peterson
                -Assessment of report
                -Bell and Howell experience
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                -Johnson
                      -Olsa Island project
                            -Baja California
                            -Problems
                            -Effect
          -NASA
                -Energy (breeder reactor, desalinization)
                -Discontinuation of moon shots                           Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)
                      -Staff
                      -Timing
                      -Staff
                      -Announcement
          -Department of the Interior
          -Breeder reactor
          -Ehrlichman’s conversation with McCone
                -Shriver
                -Staff
          -McCone
                -Breeder reactor
                      -Shriver
                      -Peterson
                      -Reaction of John O. Pastore
                            -Antiballistic Missile [ABM]
                      -Possible meeting with President, Peterson, Shriver, and Shultz
                      -Time

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Technology
    -Breeder reactor
         -Shriver, Peterson, Dr. Edward E. David, Jr., Flanigan, McCone meeting
               -Scheduling

Peterson dinner meeting, June 2, 1971
     -Ben W. Heineman                                          Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)
     -Dr. Edwin H. Land
           -Polaroid
     -Patrick E. Haggerty
     -Unknown person

Cancer program
    -Political considerations
    -Bureaucracy
    -James C. Fletcher
          -Experience in artificial heart and kidney work
    -Roy L. Ash
    -[Forename unknown] Norton
    -Biological and social sciences
    -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
    -Dr. Arnold A. Hutschnecker
          -Work on violence
    -Peterson’s approach

National goals
     -Peterson dinner

Proposed group on domestic R&D
     -Shriver
          -David
          -Flanigan
     -Purpose

Cancer program
    -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]

Rogers C. B. Morton

Antitrust
      -Peterson
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                -An option paper

Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:11 pm

     Peterson’s schedule

Bull left and Peterson and the White House photographer entered at 3:48 pm
                                                                        Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)
      Photo arrangements
            -Bell and Howell camera
                  -Japan

The photographer left at an unknown time before 4:51 pm

     Peterson’s dinner meeting
          -Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr.
          -Land
          -A Polaroid official
          -Dreyfus

     Antitrust
           -Peterson

     Shriver and Flanigan
          -R&D for domestic programs
                -National Science Foundation
                -A list
          -McCone
          -Shriver

     Antitrust
           -Ralph McLaren
           -Administration policy
           -Peterson, Flanigan, Lee Whitten [?] meeting
           -Administration policy
                 -President, Courts
           -Domestic
           -Foreign
                 -Peterson or Flanigan
           -Justice Department
           -Martin C. (“Marty”) Anderson [?]
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David R. Young, Jr.
     -President’s signature
     -Work for Henry A. Kissinger

Textiles
Shoes

President’s schedule                                      Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)
     -Bull
     -A 5:30 meeting

Textiles and shoes
     -Labor position
           -Quotas, investment abroad, jobs

Shoes
     -Foreign action
          -Common Market
     -Legislation on trade
          -Flanigan
          -Europeans
          -Italians
          -Spaniards

Oil
      -David
      -Taiwan

Japanese
     -Okinawa

Korea
     -A meeting
     -Exports
          -Industry
               -Roger Milliken
          -Department of Commerce

Economy
    -Steel quotas
    -George [P. Shultz?]
          -Testimony
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          -Investments
          -Wages and prices
-Labor
      -Protection
            -Japan
-Peterson’s conversation with unknown man [George Meany?]
-Quotas
-United Auto Workers, American Federation of Labor-CongressConv.
                                                              of Industrial
                                                                  No. 254-4 (cont.)
      Organizations [AFL-CIO]
-Concern for jobs
      -Labor’s position
      -Trade
      -An unknown man
-Goals after Vietnam
      -Jobs
      -Future
      -Republican House leaders
      -American position
      -Japan
      -Future
-Revenue sharing
      -Public opinion
            -Ehrlichman
      -Compared with moon shots
      -Public opinion
-David
      -Desalinization work with Peterson
-Goals
      -Creating new and better jobs
            -Markets
            -Social aspects
            -Desalinization and breeder reactor
            -Political and social aspects
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -William L. Safire
                  -John A. Scali
                  -Richard A. Moore
                  -New jobs
-Investment capital
      -Japan’s percent of Gross National Product [GNP] compared to US
            -Industrialized countries
      -Labor
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           -Plant modernization
                -Public opinion
                -Congress
                -Entrepreneurs
                -Public opinion
                -Effect on jobs
                -Building trades
           -Tax break for businesses                            Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)
                -Labor’s position
                      -George Meany
                      -Productivity study
                -Great Britain
                -R&D
                -Labor’s position

Antitrust
      -Peterson’s meeting with Ehrlichman
            -Regulations
      -A study on Japan
            -R&D
      -High technology
            -Effect on international competition
            -Public opinion

Goals
     -Need for planning
     -Dwight D. Eisenhower
     -Charles H. Percy
     -John F. Kennedy
     -Long-range plans
          -Business
          -Space program
          -Japanese, Soviet, and Office of Price Administration [OPA] methods
          -Public opinion
          -Economists, scientists, businessmen
          -US
                -Space, defense
                -Bernard Shrever [?]
                -Bicentennial
                -Technology and social plans
                -David, Council of Economic Advisers [CEA], Shultz
                -Shrever
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                -Credibility
                      -Follow-up
                      -1972
                -Dr. Arthur A. Fletcher of Labor Department
                      -Pollution program
                            -Interim goals and monitoring
                -Interim goals
                -”Soft sciences”                                       Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)
                      -Environment, health, social programs
                -Space programs
                -Necessity for bi-partisan group
                      -President’s role
                      -Outside groups
                      -Press
                      -Youth
                      -1972
                      -Democrats
                      -John W. Gardner
                            -Position on Vietnam
                -President’s role
                -Need for publicity
                      -President’s photos with Congressional leaders
                      -Business Week
                      -US News & World Report
                      -Possibility of speech by President
                            -President’s concession speech in 1960
                                  -Kennedy
                            -Television or radio series

[Machine noise - 4 seconds]

                          -Theme
                          -Johnson’s “Great Society” speech in Ann Arbor
                          -Theme
          -Proposed personnel
               -[Name unintelligible]
               -Haggerty
               -Heineman
               -Ash
               -Charles L. Shultze of Brookings Institute

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          -Unknown man
          -Heineman
     -Advice to President
     -Kissinger, Shultz

Camp David
     -Possible meeting of Peterson’s group                Conv. No. 254-4 (cont.)
     -Domestic Council staff
Meetings
     -Budget
     -International events
     -Dates
     -Budget

Safire

Fiscal Year [FY] 1973 budget
     -Policy
           -Taxes
     -Meetings

Peterson’s group
     -Future of US

Arthur B. Laffer

US future
     -Liberals
     -Possible discussion with press
     -Productivity, motivation

Blue-collar wage bill
     -Public opinion research
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[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 3:48 pm and
4:51 pm]

[Conversation No. 254-4C]
[See Conversation No. 3-181]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Union positions
         -Public opinion

[The President talked with Alexander P. Butterfield between 4:51 pm and 4:52 pm]

[Conversation No. 254-4D]

[See Conversation No. 3-182]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Unions
         -Public opinion
               -Railroads
               -Construction industry
               -A poll by Opinion Research Corporation in New York
                     -Legislation
         -Situation
         -President’s position
               -Oil and steel industries
         -Germany and Britain [?]
         -Administration position
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              -Right to work, Davis-Bacon Act
         -Davis-Bacon Act
              -Construction trades’ position
              -Operation
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     US position
         -Unions

     California meeting

     Camp David meeting
         -Purpose

     Peterson’s schedule

Ehrlichman, Shultz, and Peterson left at 5:01 pm