Nixon, Mitchell & Kissinger on Pentagon Papers and Vietnam negotiations

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So, what are your advice on that, uh, times that, uh, you would, you would like to do it?

Or, I don't know, has the government ever done this to a paper before?

Do you know about it?

Well, look, look, as far as the Chinese are concerned, hell, they're our enemies.

I think we can do it in any way.

Henry, come on up to this here.

Well, Roscoe calls on behalf of John.

And he said that it is Johnson's strong view that this is an attack on the whole integrity of government, that this whole file cabinet can be stolen and then made available to the press.

You can't have order of the government anymore.

And he said if the president defends the integrity of any action we take, he goes back to the president.

Yes.

Yes, I agree.

I'm a strong man.

Well, anyway, I tell you, a lot of people will say this is trying to suppress the press and the rest, but so be it.

We're going to fight it.

As a matter of fact, I even come to the opinion that Bob Tannis, when I said, well, you wouldn't take the remarks of the person, maybe they changed what he was saying, I said, no, we can't take any comments.

Anybody that votes for a date destroys the negotiations.

No.

There's a chance for negotiations.

I don't see how that's a good thing.

You want to destroy it?

Take on responsibility.

These bastards are really...

The one thing I would suggest, Mr. President, though, is some of the things I've heard you say could be twisted as saying that once you give up on negotiations, you might give them up.

I guess I would, if any of the senators or congressmen say it,

Then, they're giving Hanoi an incentive to wreck the negotiations in order to get it done.

They're wrong.

So I think, I think for the next six weeks, Mr. President, there are so many things going.

If we're going to end the war by negotiations, which is still one chance at four, it's going to happen this summer, this time.

It's going to be done.

It's going to be the one big incentive that the North Vietnamese have.

is to do it before there isn't a selfie in this event.

I look at the eagerness of the Chinese to say that they're letting them fly practice flights now already to set up a radar panel and to let us know that.

Three days.

I think Bill doesn't know what he's talking about.

He was very hard-line.

I said, Mr. President, it isn't so hard-line.

These are party elections.

Now, of course, they're not opposed, but still they're talking to the faithful.

And if you read those speeches carefully, they're giving the hard line on theory and the soft line on practice.

And they say we're tough communists, and as tough communists these are the deals we propose to make.

The only potentially hard line one is the proscenium one.

but it wouldn't go on the impression if I actually quite saw it.

Instead, I think you and I should have a talk with Bunker tomorrow or the next day.

We can get out of it 100% or halfway 100%.

It will hurt the negotiation in Paris, unless they're turning us down in the 27th.

And it gives me a tremendous cover.

We're safe.

We're going to live away from it.

That's fine.

We have to go with it.

I had lunch last week with the best Indian man in the job.

I told him you're terribly sympathetic, but you need a few months.

She took the whole trip, totally, without press.

You just don't see any press people on the trip.

You don't have nothing.

No background news, nothing.

Which, of course, you need to do.

And people laugh because that would be much more interesting.

I don't know.

It's an argument, but my point is, this totally will obfuscate the...

Bill's problem, because then if you get out the other way, she sent a message, and I'll say, no, no, no, you know the ring, you'll see some Chinese guy.

I'm back days in Delhi, could have an excuse for spending two days in Pakistan.

I spent two days in Delhi.

What I will do is I'll go to Saigon for two or three days.

I guess if you don't meet you, I better go for three days.

Or for a day to Bangkok.

I'd like to thank, uh, I think, uh, at the end of that week, I'll be tired.

I'm going to be in the town of, uh, I think that's two planes.

I leave.

Yeah.

Yeah, but Mr. President, what American politicians...

American political leader would have had the vision.

You set it up with Yang Yang two and a half years ago.

These Democratic jackasses would have been beating him over the head for the last three months on his bucket.

Difficultly, they're flying on the plane out into the mountains.

It's something the Chinese were saying about America today.

When it's said, I think it's five in the morning or

I had a sense in this chapter that a lot of it was because they needed the way to pull the boat.

And then when you handle it now, it's easy.

and the Russians for only this purpose, and the President feels that his legacy for history is China, and I agree with that, and I have just a guess.

Just like I told the Russians there today, I think 25 years from now, people are going to look back and think the Chinese initiative is more important than the Russian initiative.

Oh yes, no question.

I guess what they're going to see is the Russian initiative is more important than Vietnam.

What I have to do

If you can spare the time, if we could spend a few hours when I'm over, I could go.

Because I have to get your authorization for three different versions of communicators after I get back.

But we have to leave in a day.

I'm going to be in Florida the following week, next weekend.

Oh, but the new one is coming.

It's coming.

I have to look at my account in the bar, but that would be a good place to do it.

It's a good cover, too.

I might do it, Mr. President, if this 26th meeting works out well.

I don't think the test is... No, but it's enough.

I haven't given anything to this man on this conversation.

I do this, Mr. President, if they think we're going to be better than them.

But you are no good to them as a humiliated, discredited message.

What good will Johnson in 68, 25?

They're giving up their position as the world's leading revolutionary country for what?

I mean, if you are a one-term president, the dollars already...

The major risks for the Russians are going right up the wall.

You won't be able to deliver on your promises.

If I had to be on the, uh, if we could get out of here, what do you think?

I don't think I'd be anything else.

It's not a bias.

I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

You can tell Bill you wanted a tall profile, and I won't take any credit for that.

You shouldn't be exposed to that.

I go through this...

I can't go through this constant haggling around about who you are.

You certainly are.

The point is, we're trading you for... You're pretty good with it.

It's spectacular.

Yeah.

I don't know if he would understand why I'm going.

It makes perfect sense that once I'm out here, I won't be going out in peace.

But the fact that you will get in arms to listen to him every day, the fact that you don't understand, I'm not saying that he's right, but he will worry if he doesn't listen.

Yeah, but on the other hand, I think he's figured that he's not meant to do that.

He hasn't shown any indication that he might get in arms to listen to me at all.

I grieved on Laos, Cambodia every week.

I never heard that statement that you send a preacher over.

On that one, I think you'll be glad to stick me with it.

I'm glad it's going to work.

We'll turn off.

It's not them.

It's the government.

We've had just so many calls, and you arranged for us to come here and give you life.

Thank you.

Nixon, Mitchell & Kissinger on Pentagon Papers and Vietnam negotiations

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