Conversation: 274-044
Prev:  274-043 Next: 274-045Start Date: 8-Sep-1971 3:26 PM
End Date: 8-Sep-1971 5:10 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; [Unknown person(s)]; Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:12:19
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:50:39
NARA Description:
On September 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:26 pm to 5:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 274-044 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 274-44 Date: September 8, 1971 Time: 3:26 pm - 5:10 pm Location: Executive Office Building The President met with John D. Ehrlichman. Busing -John N. Mitchell -Edward L. Morgan -Austin case -Possible meeting with Ehrlichman Anti-trust -Richard W. McLaren -Airlines -Possible resignation -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman -Ralph Nader -Position -American Bar Association [ABA] -Replacement -Anti-trust issues -Forthcoming study -Webb-Pomerene Act -Anti-trust of Department of Justice [DOJ] -Webb-Pomerene -Cartels -Peter G. Peterson 48 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Replacement -Mitchell ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 1m 29s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 ********************************************************************** Busing -Mitchell -President’s objectives compared with DOJ’s -Austin case -Appeal -Mexican-American schools -De jure segregation -Morgan -Possible political impact -National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP] -Civil rights cases -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] and DOJ -DOJ -David L. Norman -Jerris Leonard -Morgan’s view -Regional director of HEW a Justice Department lawyer -Choice -Brief -Press -Circuit Court ruling -Supreme Court -Morgan -Edmund S. Muskie 49 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Haldeman -Letters -Prince George's County, Maryland -Jim Naughton article in New York Times -The South -Federal money -Amendment -Howard H. Baker, Jr. -George P. Shultz -Austin -Mitchell -Procedures -Possible meeting with the President -Mitchell and Ehrlichman Airlines -Haldeman Office of Intergovernmental Relations -Ehrlichman's talks with Spiro T. Agnew -Director -Agnew -Relationship with Democratic governors -Unknown people Agnew -Senate -National Security Council [NSC] -Concern -Staying informed -Ehrlichman’s view -Compared with John B. Connally 50 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 30s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 ********************************************************************** -Connally -State Department -Vice President -People’s Republic of China [PRC] -Portfolio -Senate -Constitutional duty ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 2m 51s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3 ********************************************************************** -Princeton University student body president -Letter -Conversation with Ehrlichman -Campus residence -Yale University -Connally -Personality -Bearing 51 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Possible residency -Events -Preference ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 2m 23s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4 ********************************************************************** Appointment -Phillip V. Sanchez -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] -Background -Fresno Support for the President -Sanchez -Thomas W. Fletcher, Sr. -Sidney P. Marland, Jr. -Commissioner of Education -Busing -Warren E. Burger -Marland -Relationship between busing and education -Letter from the President -Sanchez -Letter from the President -Marland -James E. Allen, Jr. 52 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) Austin busing issue -Mitchell -Justice Department lawyers Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] -J. Edgar Hoover -Retirement -Ehrlichman's call to Haldeman -Mitchell -Delay -Consequence -Age -Patrick L. Gray, III -Mitchell -Meeting with the President -Possible position -Consultant -William C. Sullivan -Dinner -Medal of Freedom House Resolution [H. R.] 2 -Congressional questions -President's conversation with F. Edward Hébert -Melvin R. Laird -Meeting with Gerald R. Ford and Hébert -Pentagon Papers -Call from the President -Hébert request -HEW -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] -Ehrlichman's talk with Laird Legislation -Elliot L. Richardson -Talks with Ehrlichman -President’s forthcoming speech to Congress -Revenue sharing, H.R. 1 -Richard P. Nathan -OMB -HEW -New position 53 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger -Announcement -Agenda -Russell B. Long -Senate Finance Committee -HEW -H R 1 An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 3:26.. Refreshments The unknown person left at an unknown time before 5:10 pm. H.R. 1 -Wilbur D. Mills -Speech -Nathan ("Nick") K. Kotz -Washington Post -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan -Talk with Ehrlichman -Revenue sharing -Congress -Meeting with Long -Richardson -Mills -Welfare action -Hearings -Richardson's memo Busing -San Francisco -Michigan -Burger -George C. Wallace -President’s position -Wallace -Bureaucrats -Executive branch action -Burger -Courts 54 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Judges -Democrats -Courts -Hugo Black -William O. Douglas -Election -Supreme Court -Justices’ deaths -Thurgood Marshall -John M. Harlan -Morgan -Mitchell -Future -Egil G. (“Bud”) Krogh -Narcotics assignment -Daniel Ellsberg -Declassification -Meeting with Ehrlichman Ehrlichman's schedule -General Counsel from the Department of Defense [J. Fred Buzhardt] -Robert C. Mardian -Unknown man from the State Department -Krogh -David R. Young, Jr. Pentagon Papers -Ellsberg -Changes -New York Times -Leslie H. Gelb -Brookings Institution -Henry A. Kissinger -Morton H. Halperin -FBI -Department of Defense investigators -New York Times -Gelb -Brookings Institution -Gordon Gray -Executive committee 55 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Krogh -Young -Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [FIAB] meeting -Los Angeles -Investigation -Activities -Columnists -Jerald terHorst -Conspiracy information -Ellsberg lawyer -Bay of Pigs -terHorst -Bay of Pigs documents -Richard M. Helms -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] resistance -Allen W. Dulles -Knowledge -Reasons for CIA resistance -Ellsberg group’s knowledge -Ngo Dinh Diem assassination -Release of information -Timing -Vietnam elections Camp Pendleton Beach -Execution of lease -Story release -Nixon Foundation land -Legal opinion -Legislation -House -Armed Services Committee -F. Edward Hébert -Land -Timing ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6 [Personal Returnable] 56 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) [Duration: 40s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6 ********************************************************************** -Edward C. Nixon -Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC] -Herbert W. Kalmbach -J. William Middendorf, II -Netherlands ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 11s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8 ********************************************************************** Press -Los Angeles Times story -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo -Newsday story -Possible questions -Possible administration response -John W. Dean, III's associate -Rebozo -Rebozo and George A. Smathers -The President -Interests -Small Business Administration [SBA] -Fisher’s Island stock -Smathers 57 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Bay Lane house -Ehrlichman’s advice -Fisher's Island -Rebozo -Stock value -Smathers -Government -Fisher's Island -Key Biscayne -Coco Lobo -Edward O. Sullivan, III case -Smathers and Rebozo -Los Angeles Times story -Investigation -William Moyers -Phillip Edward Gutman [?] -Carl Greenberg -Managing editor -Rebozo -White House action -Rebozo -Smathers -Lyndon B. Johnson -Robert D. (“Bobby”) Baker -Fisher's Island -Newsday story -Possible administration response -President’s costs -Law firm -Fisher's Island -Stocks -New York apartment -Law firm -Haldeman ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9 [Privacy] [Duration: 1m 42s ] 58 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9 ********************************************************************** Press inquiries -San Clemente -Kalmbach -Title -Title Insurance Trust Bank -Rocco C. Siciliano -Press inquiries -Rebozo -Partnership -Response to press inquiries -Ownership -House and immediate grounds -Trusts -Ehrlichman’s comments to press -Foundation -Golf -Orange County, California -Foundation -Possible responses -Ronald L. Ziegler -Dean -Value -Rebozo -Robert H. Abplanalp -Disclosure of information -Ziegler -Johnson residence -Dwight D. Eisenhower residence -Possible approach to Congress -Hébert -Abplanalp -Rebozo -Uses for land -Foundation 59 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Houses -Kalmbach -[Forename unknown] Almore -Tenancy -Foundation -Hotel -San Clemente -Golf course -Profit -Investment -Government -Question -Johnson -Development -Dwight D. Eisenhower -Property question -Tax shelter -Dean -Announcement -Foundation site -Irvine and Whittier Colleges -Speculation -The President’s view -Responses -Lyndon B. Johnson -Dwight D. Eisenhower -John F. Kennedy -Key Biscayne -Rebozo -Press inquiries -Smathers -Divorce -Rebozo -Fisher Island -Profit -Additions -Stock -Press inquiries -Trustee -Interest -Purchases 60 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -Press inquiries -The President’s response -Rebozo -Smathers -Divorce -Public records -Sons -Property settlement -Bay Lane property -Government leasing -Abplanalp -Secret Service -White House Communications Agency [WHCA] -Johnson experience -Helicopter pad -Hannah Nixon's house -Worth -The President’s worth -Effect of government service -California -San Clemente -Value -Sullivan case -Theodore Roosevelt -Libel -Fisher Island -Stockholders option -Rebozo Contributors -White House investigation -Hubert H. Humphrey -Edmund S. Muskie -Internal Revenue Service [IRS] past investigations -Abplanalp -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis -John Wayne -Paul Keyes -Barry M. Goldwater -New IRS Commissioner -Audits 61 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.) -IRS -The President -1962 taxes -John N. Mitchell -IRS -Muskie -Humphrey -Investigations -Edward M. Kennedy -Pakistan -Investigation -Hawaii -Convention -Hawaii -Hyannis -Muskie -Lifestyle -Family -Kennedy -Chappaquiddick -Use of -Divorce -Nelson A. Rockefeller's divorce -Nicholas P. Thimmesch ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 8m 13s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12 ********************************************************************** Ehrlichman left at 5:10 pm. 62 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)