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Start Date: Tuesday, November 9, 1971 2:45 PM

End Date: Tuesday, November 9, 1971 4:00 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:39:26

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:50:00

300a.mp3

300b.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:45 am to 11:00 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 300-023 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 300-23

Date: November 9, 1971
Time: 9:45 am - 11:00 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     The President's forthcoming speeches in New York and Chicago, November 9, 1971
          -Ronald L. Ziegler
          -Richard A. Moore
          -Television coverage
               -Cameras
          -Demonstrators
               -Possible actions
               -Jerry Rubin

     Demonstrators
         -Attitude
         -Activities
               -White House vigil
                     -Regulation
                          -Court ruling
         -1968 campaign
               -Chicago
                     -Loud speakers
         -Democrats
         -Organization
                                        12

                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


     -The President's schedule
          -Colleges
                -Compared to high schools

The President's forthcoming speeches in New York and Chicago
     -Make-up

The President’s schedule
     -W. Clement Stone

Earl L. Butz
      -John N. Mitchell

The President's schedule
     -State dinners
           -Harry L. Sears
                 -John Sears
                      -Rose Mary Woods
                 -Joseph M. Margiotta
                      -[William McMahon]
                      -Emilio Garrastazu Medici

Appointments
    -Butz
          -Background
                -Indiana
    -Secretary of Commerce
          -Peter G. Peterson
          -Ethnic and religious considerations
                -Possible Catholic

Mitchell's attendance at dinner
     -Telephone call
            -Technical problem
                 -Robert P. Griffin
                 -Tape

The President's schedule
     -George P. Shultz

National economy
                                              13

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


            -Pay Board
                 -Shultz's view
                       -Compared to Charles W. Colson
                       -Labor’s position vis-a-vis the Administration’s policies
                             -Compared to World War II
                 -Labor's possible action
                       -Colson
                       -Frank E. Fitzsimmons's view
                       -Construction workers
                             -George Meany
                       -Fitzsimmons
                       -Meany
                       -Shultz's efforts
                             -James D. Hodgson
                             -Meany
            -Investment tax credit legislation
                 -Rate
                       -Wilbur D. Mills's conversation with Clark MacGregor, November 8,
1971
                            -Senate
                                 -Business
            -Pay Board
                 -Labor
                      -Shultz’s view
                 -Donald H. Rumsfeld’s activities
                      -Public relations
                            -Radio
            -Rumsfeld, Shultz and Colson
                 -Cooperation

       The President's schedule
            -Departure from the White House
                                            14

                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


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    Robert J. Dole
        -Press story
               -Kenneth W. Clawson
                    -Colson
                          -Views
                          -Contacts
                                -Washington Post
               -Franklyn C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger
               -Colson's contacts with Clawson
                    -William E. Timmons
               -Schedule
                    -Farm belt
                    -Traveling
               -Exposure
               -John A. Scali
               -Colson
                    -Mitchell

    Clawson
        -Mitchell
        -Richard G. Kleindienst
        -Dole

    Law and order issue
        -Mitchell
              -News summary
        -1972 election
                                             15

                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


              -Robert H. Finch’s statement
              -Herbert G. Klein


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    Press coverage
          -White House staff role
               -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
               -John B. Connally
               -News summary
               -The President’s schedule
                    -Unknown trip


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    Speeches
         -Mitchell’s
              -Compared to Vice President Agnew’s
                     -Speechwriting
                                       16

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


                     -Henry A. Kissinger

White House staff
     -Speechwriters
          -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -Unknown man from Philadelphia
          -Priest [Rev. John J. McLaughlin]
          -John K. Andrews, Jr.
          -William L. Safire
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Price
          -Humor

The President's forthcoming speeches in New York and Chicago, 11/9
     -Length
          -Price
          -Television coverage

White House staff
     -Speechwriters
           -Length of speeches
           -Administration needs
     -Structure
           -Timing
                -Price
                -Haldeman’s efforts
                -1972 campaign
                -Republican National Committee [RNC]
     -Speechwriters
           -The President's possible conversation with Price
                -Suggested remarks for the President
                      -The President's use
                      -Examples
                            -Welcoming comments for Indira Gandhi
                            -Price Board
                      -The President's use
                            -Ideas
                                               17

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


                           -Facts
                           -Anecdotes
                           -Forthcoming speech in New York

Tricia Nixon Cox talked with the President between 10:27 am and 10:28 am.

[Conversation No. 300-23A]

[See Conversation No. 14-1; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]

[End of telephone conversation]

The President talked with an unknown person [Kissinger?] at an unknown time between 10:28
am and 10:29 am.

[Conversation No. 300-23B]

     The President's schedule

[End of telephone conversation]

     White House staff
          -Speechwriters
               -Efforts
                    -The President's use
                         -Preparation
                    -Ideas, facts, statistics, anecdotes

Stephen B. Bull [?] entered at an unknown time after 10:28 am.

     The President's schedule

Bull [?]left at an unknown time before 10:29 am.

     Kleindienst
          -Role in administration
                -John D. Ehrlichman
                -Mitchell's views
                     -Confirmation
                            -Possible fight
                                 -Kleindienst’s background
                                              18

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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


                                      -Harvard Law School

Kissinger entered at 10:29 am.

     Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawal rate
               -Melvin R. Laird's comments
                     -The President's possible response
                           -The President’s forthcoming announcement
                           -[Arnold] Eric Sevareid’s report of November 8, 1971
               -Laird's recommendations
                     -Sevareid
                     -The President’s previous announcements
          -The President's schedule
               -Laird

     Korea
          -Possible troop withdrawal
               -Defense Department’s recommendations
                      -White House
                      -State Department
                      -Laird

     Milton Viorst
          -Conversation with Peter G. Peterson
               -State Department role in the President's People's Republic of China [PRC]
                     initiative
                     -Briefing with unknown person
                            -Evidence
                                 -Action since March 1969

     PRC
           -Initiative
                  -Kissinger’s role

     The President's schedule
          -Brazilian foreign visitors
               -Camp David
               -Return dinners
                      -The President’s possible attendance
                           -Protocol
                                        19

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


                            -Agnew

Message to PRC, November 9, 1971

Kissinger's meeting with PRC delegates to the United Nations [UN]
     -Possible communications in Ottawa, Canada
     -Individuals
           -Personal Secretary of Chou En-Lai
           -Others

The President's schedule
     -Possible trip to Latin America
           -Rogers
           -Possible stops
                 -Jamaica, Panama
           -Call to Rogers
           -Phase II, State of the Union, budget
           -Jamaica
           -Panama
                 -Darien Gap
                 -Possible demonstrations
                 -Leadership
                 -Treaty
                 -Possible flight from Miami
           -Travel time
                 -Compared to Europe
           -Possible stops
                 -Jamaica
                       -Rogers
                 -Panama
     -The President’s forthcoming meeting with Willy Brandt
     -State of the Union address

Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Arthur K. Watson
     -Georges J.R. Pompidou

The President's schedule
     -Pompidou
     -Brandt
     -Edward R.G. Heath
     -Latin American trip
                                              20

                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


             -Emilio Garrastazu Medici
             -Procedures
                  -Brazilian visitors
                       -Haldeman
                       -Kissinger
                             -National Security Council [NSC]
                       -Emil Mosbacher, Jr. and Ambassador Joao A. Castro
                       -Camp David
                       -Return dinners
             -Haldeman's forthcoming conversation with Rogers
                       -Willy Brandt
                             -Rogers’s knowledge
                       -Pompidou
                       -Foreign trips
                             -The President’s schedule
                             -Latin America
                                    -Panama, Jamaica
                                         -Dinners

Haldeman left at 10:45 am.

     India
             -State Department policy
                   -Possible effect


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     INDIA-PAKISTAN

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     Pakistan
          -Military situation
                                        21

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


           -PRC
     -East Pakistan
           -India’s possible intention
                 -West Bengal
     -PRC
     -State Department policy
           -Effect on US Senators
           -Arms cut-off
                 -PRC
                 -Rogers
                 -Briefing paper
                 -Economic aid
                 -The President's possible meetings with State Department

Bureaucracy
     -State Department
           -1972 election
                -Aftermath
                       -Possible action
           -Joseph J. Sisco and Marshall Green
           -Middle East policy
                -Schedules
                -Initiatives
                -Israel

Vietnam
     -David K.E. Bruce
     -Bombing
          -North Vietnam
               -Level
                     -Compared to Lyndon B. Johnson
                     -US troop withdrawal
                          -Infiltration
          -Cambodia
          -Laos
          -Number of sorties
               -Decline
          -Cornell study
               -Professor [Forename unknown] Kardina [sp?]
          -Press coverage
          -Ho Chi Minh Trail
                                          22

                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


             -Purpose
                   -US troop withdrawal
        -The President's opponents
             -Argument
                   -Refugees
                   -Analogy to World War II
                         -Defense of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] and Poland
                              -Concentration camp

Laird
        -The President's schedule
        -Meeting with the President
             -Troop withdrawal rate
                   -Rogers

Vietnam
     -Troop withdrawals
          -The President's role
                -Laird
     -Negotiations
          -Forthcoming meeting of November 20, 1971
          -Laird's knowledge

Rogers
    -Handling of job
        -Compared to Laird
        -Troop withdrawals
        -The President's PRC initiative

The President's forthcoming State of the World message
     -1971
          -Laos
     -The President's trip to PRC
     -Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawals

The President’s schedule
     -Trip to Latin America
           -State Department
                 -Jamaica
           -Jamaica
                                            23

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)




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    JAMAICA


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              -Panama
              -Argentina
              -Brazil
                   -Unknown meeting

    The President's PRC initiative
         -State Department role
               -Green
               -March 1969
               -Trade
                     -Elliot L. Richardson
               -The President's meeting with Charles E. (“Chip”) Bohlen and Llewellyn E.
                     (“Tommy”) Thompson, Jr. in June 1969
                     -Romania
                     -Warsaw talks
               -Messages
         -Kissinger's possible meeting with newsmen
               -Timing
                     -Forthcoming Summit
                     -Stewart J.O. Alsop
                     -1972 election
                     -Laird and Rogers
               -Possible television appearance
         -State Department role
                                               24

                              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 300-23 (cont.)


                 -Rogers
                 -Briefing books for Kissinger
                       -Kissinger's staff
                       -Unknown person’s comment

     State Department briefing books
           -The President’s knowledge of since 1953

     The President's foreign policy
          -Democrats
               -Vietnam negotiations
                      -Possible administration action

     The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
          -Press list
               -Timing of announcement
                      -Ziegler
                      -Joseph C. Kraft
                            -Calls to Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                      -Calls to Kissinger
                      -Kissinger's response

Kissinger left at 11:00 am.