Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on ITT and Dita Beard

2:39:57I don't think they think that they basically intend to do it.
2:39:58With Truman, they thought that he and people close to him were correct.
2:40:01They're on the take.
2:40:02And with Eisenhower, they thought that Sean Adams shouldn't have taken that goddamn coat.
2:40:08It's simple.
2:40:08But in this case, I don't think they think I'm on the take.
2:40:12I'm sure that's the difference.
2:40:15You think I'm on the take.
2:40:17I think they think it well.
2:40:18Those who think it good, they think it well convention.
2:40:20It's not worth doing something that well.
2:40:24You know, so what?
2:40:26Now, that's not to our advantage for them to even think that, but it's not a real negative.
2:40:30I think we have to be very cautious.
2:40:34Whatever we do, we keep this away from the White House.
2:40:38We don't take steps, we don't take action that will bring it into the White House.
2:40:42And I think we just have to be
2:40:49He was very cautious about it.
2:40:55He said, you're a man.
2:40:58I think he was.
2:41:00He was a good boy, wasn't he?
2:41:02He said he was a good man.
2:41:04Which was not related to writing.
2:41:08Well, in a way it was.
2:41:10He hired a consultant.
2:41:11He was a good man.
2:41:19Okay, sir.
2:41:46Double clear at the other end, please.
2:42:32Ron makes the question.
2:42:36It is very important.
2:42:40By the way, I'm pushing right.
2:42:46Closer than I can.
2:42:51Ron makes the question.
2:42:55The black is on it.
2:43:02The problem I have to learn about now is this picture Colson's all excited about.
2:43:08He appeared in as the Anderson secretary.
2:43:14He's got a party, a farewell party for some leader called Sheridan Croft, which he got Marlon Cook to wave around yesterday and it ran in the paper, but unfortunately also in the paper it says that
2:43:57Overly excited, as he thought he'd be able to cut some of those things out.
2:44:02And that picture is where the gun man came from.
2:44:05So, here's Jada Beard here, and old Goodkin, or whatever her name is, is over here.
2:44:09And so they were both in the same picture a lot, and lots of pictures that people had never seen before, and will never see again.
2:44:16And unfortunately, the waiter, who was retiring from the party, had said he had never seen the two of them together, except for that party.
2:44:25Chuck was trying to get over with the two of our drinking buddies who went there together all the time.
2:44:30He says that that's true.
2:44:32He says that the way they had fought off him.
2:44:36And also the doorman, because they had talked to the doorman, he had said the day before that, yeah, they had poured him into the car, time after time, together drunk.
2:44:46And two days ago now, he was swearing under oath that he had never seen the two of them together, but they were both frequent visitors to different places at the time.
2:44:56It says that they're all under, because Janine's trying to cover up her beard, because there's more involved in the beard than you see on it.
2:45:08I think it was the other person.
2:45:11That's not who you have.
2:45:29You know, you get wall run and all that crap, and it really is kind of useless stuff.
2:45:34Well, what we ought to do is to get somebody else in, and our own people.
2:45:38I personally think we should let Lomovich go.
2:45:42I'm getting tired.
2:45:44Well, it's, no, Chuck's very optimistic.
2:45:47He's absolutely convinced that the memo is fake.
2:45:50Well, I am too.
2:45:51And this is Taito, or Mr. Becker.
2:45:55His wife works with him.
2:45:57I did have it.
2:45:58Yeah.
2:45:59She's working on it too.
2:46:01And she apparently is prepared to testify that...
2:46:04Here's his claim.
2:46:12First of all, we've got a bad break because the Senate leadership won't vote again.
2:46:16So there isn't going to be a need to hear anything else.
2:46:19No, because the Senate leadership won't be sure and there won't be a vote.
2:46:22All right.
2:46:24So we're pursuing this one statement move now.
2:46:27The plan was that on Tuesday, the IT&T lawyers were going to have a press conference on it.
2:46:34First, they were going to present the deposition of Dita's secretary, who will say that this is not the memo that she typed.
2:46:45She had typed one back in June, but this wasn't it.
2:46:49The memo she typed had no reference to the case.
2:46:56Secondly, they would present Mrs. Teitel, who would say at the press conference, as a typewriter expert, that the memo was not tightened.
2:47:08The ribbon with which the memo was tightened didn't exist at IT&T until November.
2:47:16They didn't have any of that kind of ribbon.
2:47:18All the way, that memo could have been tightened there, on that typewriter in June.
2:47:23was if someone had put a roller ribbon on the tight end, no one had taken it off, there was nothing else you could have typed on that ribbon, on the typewriter, until after November.
2:47:32In November, they did start using that type of ribbon, and it was on that typewriter, and somewhere between November and February, it could have been typed, and February's ribbon was a new change.
2:47:44So she's tracked all that down.
2:47:46Therefore, he said his one is that lowest end.
2:47:51Then,
2:47:52The best thing he's got is this typewriter.
2:48:06He can prove that.
2:48:21That would be much better than some drug war.
2:48:23On Wednesday, the committee, the only reason the Republicans will say they are going forward with the hearing of the president is really a thought.
2:48:34The demand for funding should be confirmed, and the committee should be investigated again.
2:48:45That's the whole scenario.
2:48:48The draft of the speech from the vice president is not out yet.
2:48:53We've got some good stuff on the road.
2:48:56And they should wait until the MLB will turn around and see what happens.
2:49:03They should go ahead and get the speech ready.
2:49:05Don't have him go until we see what happens.
2:49:07That's right.
2:49:07You don't want to get him out of something that doesn't gel.
2:49:12That's right.
2:49:13So that's where that is.
2:49:17Good.
2:49:17But it runs.
2:54:11Even though it was on a subject that probably 75% really didn't have any interest.
2:54:40I really think that's true.
2:54:41They don't have an overriding interest.
2:54:42I think they have a latent interest.
2:54:45Because when you ask them, they have an opinion.
2:54:46You don't get any no opinion on us high students.
2:54:50When you ask a question, there's virtually no no opinion.
2:54:54Well, but you like it from the standpoint of basically the China trip, in a sense.
2:54:57I like it from the standpoint of the picture.
2:54:59I like seeing you sitting in the Oval Office buying the presidential seal reading of a carefully prepared, well-thought-out statement.
2:55:10As contrasted to all these other people sticking around about, you know, voting for what?
2:55:16Being on dollars on the beach.
2:55:22Just for no other reason than that.
2:55:24Just to get you on television in that same setting, which is much better than getting you on in any other setting.
2:55:31Any stage.
2:55:33Better than a TV or something like that.
2:55:35Not better than a press conference.
2:55:37No, better than a press conference.
2:55:38I think it is, too.
2:55:40It is better than the press conference for this point I'm talking about.
2:55:45The press conference is a business to this day.
2:55:51But you can do the press conference and hold the interest in it and score a different kind of money out of that.
2:55:59The vocal office speech would be a disaster if you did it once.
2:56:05Yeah.
2:56:05I think you can do about four or five a year.
2:56:09Yeah.
2:56:41I also was watching it for the reading, but I had just a thousand percent convinced that it was right to spread it on teleprompter.
2:56:47For anything that's over about a minute.
2:56:49On a one minute thing, where if you want to look into the camera, I think the teleprompter's fine.
2:56:54I think if you go to the gun back, it's great.
2:56:57I said, there's something about the paper in here.
2:57:00You make a statement like that, I think it looks more responsible for what you're doing.
2:57:40The Canon price of the Canon crowd and the Colson crowd seems good.
2:57:48The solid editorial column stuff should be fit out in some way without being too many on the front line.
2:57:55The double standard with regard to congressional hearings doesn't look the same as that.
2:58:02During the Cape time that I was in this position, according to the Federal Security Commission,
2:58:42I told him, I always told him, I said, I want you to go back and have somebody find out what they're doing about it.
2:58:50And I want to know if any, any person has raised a question about the rules and procedures and followed those, and then he can't return them.
2:58:58All right, fine.
2:58:59Now, isn't it time for somebody to start to pound it up on his hind legs and hit the press for the devil's standard?
2:59:03Later, he's all over the place.
2:59:04Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Friday, Saturday.
2:59:12There's no editorials at all.
2:59:13It's critical for the judiciary to take that into consideration.
2:59:20Well, for the rules of procedure, no.
2:59:23Well, anyway, what you do, you just throw that into the hopper to look for it.
2:59:27For Christ's sake, get somebody to write that.
2:59:31But go back.
2:59:32The way to prove the case, and the period from 1947 to 89, you will see, and also Carson McCarthy here, and
2:59:41If the maids are attacked or failing, you know, to follow proper and fair rules and procedures, you know, we ought to hit them.
2:59:56We ought to be hitting them.
2:59:59The double standard.
3:00:01I also would like for that to be sent to see through the pressure out here.
3:00:07I would like to find a hit, you know, in terms of
3:00:41was his procedure correct, or the attorney, or the attorney general, or a businessman.
3:00:49Huh?
3:00:50But?
3:00:50But someone who was charged with domino effect in each case.
3:00:56We're charged wrong with in each case, you know.
3:01:00Then Christ, the whole left wing, goes on another.
3:01:01Goddamn, these sons of bitches have a double standard now.
3:01:04They have a double standard.
3:01:06Well, it's one of my pet peeves.
3:01:1070 years.
3:01:11But I wish that we'd get Buchanan or somebody to get two or three guys to work on it in different ways.
3:01:16Maybe somebody to write a paper on it, make sure I was written on it, and so forth.
3:01:22That whole standard would be great.
3:03:45Ok, keep it open.
3:03:47I don't care if the staff people go out.
3:04:51I agree with that.
3:05:05I agree with that, except that at some point someone's going to look up and say, what the hell is happening?
3:05:13Are they disputing?
3:05:14Are they torturing?
3:05:16And understand, I don't mind discontinuing the press conferences, and I don't mind discontinuing the briefings, and so forth.
3:05:21Because that would entrain them, and that would not be their idea.
3:05:24Having these two, and we have close proximity, instead of establishing them, I don't want to go on and on.
3:05:33I don't want to go on and on.
3:05:46Wow!
3:09:09...like Waller and Taylor, and a lot of that.
3:09:11Ah, yeah.
3:09:11I'm pretty sure it's...
3:09:19It has to be.
3:09:19So, there's one thing I'm going to stop at there.
3:09:23It was apparently in the early 80s, and it was kind of a real loser.
3:09:28And what we're chasing today, that is the word of honor.
3:09:33I don't know how you chose to call it that.
3:10:05I do a lot of speaking, I do a lot of this, but not in a political, no partisan forum, no partisan forum, but he said that's been his position with the fundraising people all over after two years of law.
3:10:14And he said, I don't want it in any way, I think I'm jerking, and that's what the president wants me to do, and I'll do anything he wants, but I just want to clarify my instructions.
3:10:28I always said, I was sure he was right, I'm bad with you and cannot be part of the matter that you're in charge of.
3:10:37I don't know what he feels at this time.
3:10:39You can't feel him.
3:10:40Just say that's the tradition.
3:10:47Rocking shows you what you should be doing.
3:10:50In fact, he can do us more good than the other men, because he can get those other women.
3:10:56He's exactly right.
3:10:56He's exactly right.
3:10:57He's got to be talking to the Lord.
3:11:31for an obvious reason, that I don't look forward to believing in her words.
3:11:37That's obvious.
3:11:38But then he's having a very good deal on her husband, because she writes good stuff about him.
3:11:50And the Austrian ambassador.
3:11:51Okay, for the life of the period, that combination.
3:11:53Unless Kelly's set out a thing where they have one press person, one congressional person, one diplomatic person, and one staff person.
3:11:59Okay.
3:12:01Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
3:12:02That's where he returned from.
3:12:04Yeah.
3:12:04And the Austrian ambassador, the nice guy.
3:12:08Yeah.
3:12:09He used to be a bachelor ambassador before, but he's my very best and good guy.
3:12:13He really is.
3:12:14Yeah, so that way, he used to tell them I remember him, and I was there, and he said, so you find me, and so forth, and I was caught, and it was fun, and it was a good sense of feeling.
3:12:30Weird.
3:12:31I think he simmered down quite a bit on the other end.
3:12:37I think he was a little embarrassed by it.
3:12:43Whatever it was, it's done now.
3:12:44Sure.
3:12:45The other thing is...
3:12:46I don't know how much work I've had to do for this, but nothing else.
3:12:57It wasn't just that, it was me trying to recognize through the whole doctor, over the whole price track.
3:13:04And the speech was put up.
3:13:06Well, the company's problem, I don't know, those people were trying to do the right thing.
3:13:16They were wrong.
3:13:16Yeah.
3:13:17They should have come back, but the problem they have, if I talk to Stein, Stein, you know, there's no more loyalty.
3:13:26More loyalty.
3:13:27This is a guy who's going to bust his ass to do what?
3:13:31They can't reach the doctor, right?
3:13:35He says, I'll say nothing, or say any line that I'm told is going to be helpful.
3:13:40But it's very difficult for me to say nothing, because I'm in a position where I can and will, if I'm told to say nothing, but it's hard for me.
3:13:53And it would seem to me that if I know what he wants, then I can say it effectively.
3:13:57You're absolutely right.
3:13:58And Gottlieb's turned it off.
3:14:01See, they used to have the Volker Group, the benefits of secretary level, that everybody get in the line.
3:14:06He's stopped the meetings of the Volker Group now.
3:14:10So those guys don't know.
3:14:12I think it's Volker who's done it.
3:14:14I think so too.
3:14:15See, I think Gottlieb...
3:14:16I think the White House gets blamed and the staff and all that for things that don't happen.
3:14:21I think Connie gets blamed to our people for things that he doesn't do.
3:14:28I think it's because of Volker and Walker.
3:14:32I think both Volker and Walker are fighting their own game.
3:14:36I would do it.
3:14:41It's weird.
3:14:41I think a lot of people do that.
3:14:42Connie's got to stay in the middle of that as Connie's got.
3:14:44She is doing the best she can.
3:14:47Yeah, I know.
3:14:47It's pretty funny, man.
3:14:50So, you know, you're working to control the others, but he's got to work with you right behind you to try and give a better understanding of the confidence that you're trying to get out of it.
3:15:05So, Bob, I'm afraid.
3:15:08Follow, so follow.
3:15:09Yeah, I'm going to have to rely on you.
3:15:10Yes, follow me.
3:15:11I'm very sensitive.
3:15:12I'll be there for a while.
3:15:15Part of the deal, you get a guy that's a real star, that way, you know, he's quite, you know, he's got a short feet, he's really fast, he does have a short feet, it's really hard, and then, the first one that comes off of him, he's got a lot of shit, he's good,
3:16:39It's about 70 passengers in that group, and so it's all good.
3:16:43It's a big thing to do, at least to announce it around the chairs if you want to.
3:16:49It's a little... And I think somebody, I'm sure it's not a way to say you're downgraded and stayed in front.
3:16:59Go ahead.
3:17:01And then they've asked if you reconsidered.
3:17:05And this is what was brought in first on the end there.
3:17:09He's been asking, on the basis that he's carrying a message from just asking, and he is going to do that.
3:17:13Greg, they're asking if they can see Stenister, and I'm sure, and I'm worried about it, but I'm sure he'll be able to do it.
3:17:17He's got a gun, and I'm sure he's got a gun.
3:18:07We've got to determine, Bob, about the president, actually.
3:18:21And I'd, uh, God damn if I know, we can't, can't continue to delay it, because it is, like, 15 minutes.
3:18:30Do you want to do it?
3:18:32Do you plan to do it?
3:18:34I don't want to.
3:18:35I don't want, let me say this, I don't want to go through the business of not doing it.
3:18:40It's just too much work.
3:18:42I would argue yes, but I think we are decided on Monday.
3:18:49Well, another thing you could do, having to get on television.
3:18:56What do you think?
3:18:57We're still in trouble.
3:18:58I think maybe that's the point, is
3:19:00prepare for it.
3:19:02But the idea is going either way depending on our evaluation on Wednesday, and what our situation is, and what we want, what do we want in our parliament, which does us the most good.
3:19:13But do it one way or the other.
3:19:14Yeah, I think we ought to do it.
3:19:15Now, here's what I would answer on the ITMP.
3:19:17My view about that is to say that I'm a nice, and I follow the charity.
3:19:20I mean, I think that is the role of the charity.
3:19:24And first of all, I have nothing to say about it.
3:19:29I believe he should be confirmed.
3:19:34I believe he will be confirmed.
3:19:36And I have nothing more to say until the Senate approves this hearing.
3:19:43I think that's a pretty good answer.
3:19:45On the other hand, I don't want to do that on national television.
3:19:48You see, that's the point.
3:19:49In the office, I think it's fine, but on national television, you know, they're a badger and say, well, now I'm going to speak out on this, and what about this, and that.
3:19:58You see my point?
3:20:00Why don't we try it?
3:20:01Why don't we plan an in-office press conference?
3:20:06You say you wouldn't.
3:20:09Do you understand?
3:20:10Having just been on television, I'm mad on prime time, and I'm not sure that this is something we want to be on right again.
3:20:21I feel that I should be on this press conference under our belt.
3:20:24And I'm inclined to do it sooner, too, rather than later.
3:20:30Let's do it in office.
3:20:42Do it Thursday and free.
3:21:00You know, brief answers.
3:21:03But on the IAPT vaccine, I sure agree.
3:21:04I wouldn't say another damn thing.
3:21:09I'm not going to comment on a few of your testimonies in the chat.
3:21:12I'm just going to try to use them.
3:21:15Maybe when the rest of them are safe.
3:21:18It's been a dozen rounds, and I'm just going to wait until I know it.
3:21:24What about the bussing?
3:21:25I don't know.
3:21:28I'm probably going to put a few questions on that.
3:21:32I don't think it's good to go out and do it for the cameras.
3:21:43But I would radio it this time.
3:21:51See?
3:21:55Cut the thing.
3:21:56I would cut it.
3:21:59We're going to find out whether or not you can cut it and deliver it to the radio producer or whether they have to cover it.
3:22:03Well, we can do it as I understand it.
3:22:05The one thing they say you need to do is this little mic.
3:22:14You need a little mic on you because you get a very tinny sound if you try to cut it with an iPod.
3:22:24They just hang it on your neck like that.
3:22:29I can say we're recording this, gentlemen.
3:22:32I mean, not for you.
3:22:34I don't like that.
3:22:35They have to get the press.
3:22:38All right, fine.
3:22:39If they can do that, then that ain't nothing to me.
3:22:42They won't answer you.
3:22:43They'll pick you up and put a mic on you.
3:22:47Put a mic on me.
3:22:48They know we recorded it anyway, so people can see it.
3:22:53They'll see it out here downstairs.
3:22:59Let's do that.
3:23:00And we have a combination.
3:23:01We've had a press conference.
3:23:02We've had it on radio.
3:23:03And then we might decide to go over to like 50-40 minutes.
3:23:07Every week?
3:23:08Yeah.
3:23:08And every two weeks later we'll do it.
3:23:14Yeah.
3:23:14Pretty good time.
3:23:20I anticipate we'll be having our press conference scheduled to be on television at this time next week.
3:23:28That would be two weeks later.
3:23:29Yeah.
3:23:30And that would be three weeks before the possible week in California when you might be going out of there.
3:23:43And that would be the last time.
3:23:45Yeah, right.
3:23:45I'm going to do a lot of training before I go to California.
3:24:03Never do that.
3:28:36Do you want to do a Chief Justice dinner?
3:28:39No.
3:28:40Not at all?
3:28:40No, nothing of that sort.
3:28:44What do you want to do on the next evening?
3:28:47Hold on a second.
3:28:50I think we should move it and save it for later.
3:28:57Don't put it in the safe, by all means.
3:29:30You know, despite these guys, you know, some of the hard right is whining about it, but they'll be with it, I think, when they see the left take us on.
3:29:38What do you think?
3:29:39I think some.
3:29:45Some have got to stop the train there.
3:29:47They've got to be further to the right.
3:29:49But the way most of them have done it is the way Georgia took it on.
3:30:00By saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it,
3:30:30And you got that clean sweep in five years.
3:30:39Also, I've said that this doesn't work in this country.
3:30:41They can't make money because they don't have anything that's going to do any more for them in this world.
3:30:50None of them have anything that will do something now, anything at all, man.
3:30:54Now, this is as far away as we can go with the moratorium.
3:30:57It's just the power edges of constitutionality in my opinion.
3:31:03Some of them think it's as far as it is, you know, the constitution that I want.
3:31:08I never know.
3:31:11The court might throw that out.
3:31:15I think we're out of power.
3:31:16I'd love to have some of these southerners like them and the rest not be for this.
3:31:21Don't you agree?
3:31:22It looks, from what they're saying,
3:31:25It looks as if what they're doing is saying for the record.
3:31:29But they're not saying they're against this argument.
3:31:31They're wording it in such a way as not to knock what they've got, but simply to be recorded as wanting more.
3:31:53... ... ... ... ... ...
3:32:23Early on it was very good at picking them out.
3:32:25It was a hard thing.
3:32:25You know, he was doing a superb job as an advanced man back in the early days.
3:32:31I know he was going around, going into town and dirt.
3:32:35This guy seems to be doing a lot of the dirty work, playing his games, but he can't do a good job.
3:32:42He's just so smart, so smart.
3:32:46He's got a round of knowledge.
3:32:48He knows what he can do, and what he can't.
3:32:51Right now.
3:32:53We just got a thing down in Florida.
3:32:54We've got all over the state counties around.
3:32:56It's not the same support for busting cold musketeers.
3:33:05They can have it.
3:33:06But also, it's not going to be that one of those cold, maylock-soul-managers.
3:33:11It's going to be huge.
3:33:15Massive.
3:33:15Whether it's busting, whether it's putting musketeers in, that would die.
3:33:18It would die.
3:34:05Thank you for watching!
3:44:32What are you doing here?
3:44:34In the back, in the back.
3:44:39Oh, I didn't see you.
3:44:39I didn't call.
3:44:40I didn't know.
3:45:01I hate the way they ever do one in the office, but I was the one that said never again.
3:45:10But I think we've got to have one, that's my point.
3:45:11And if we've got to have one, I don't believe that I want to be on television giving that kind of an answer.
3:45:17I think it's possible the way you might want to be on it.
3:45:22It won't cost.
3:45:23It won't cost that much, but I'm not sure.
3:46:03Hi, John.
3:46:04I think that the way that I try to respond to what I'm getting at is, I don't mind not suggesting that in my view, I would say that
3:46:35What they're doing, they're very clever.
3:46:45They say, well, we buy this, but we ought to go further.
3:46:53But you see, I think the way you think, the way you think about it,
3:46:59...trying to get in front of them, but they didn't do it.
3:47:01... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
3:47:29I strongly urge him to hold for another 20 minutes.
3:47:31We did a hell of a lot of intervention.
3:47:36What do you think of that?
3:47:44Can he intervene incidentally in those main stations?
3:47:48That could mean an awful lot to us for other reasons.
3:48:31No we're gonna find them.
3:48:37No we're gonna find them.
3:48:41The reason that they've been able to raise us is because they're getting screwed versus an architecture that they've already been screwed.
3:48:50This doesn't screw them any worse.
3:48:53This sets up a chance for them to get better.
3:48:57But it doesn't get them in their right mind.
3:49:01It keeps getting any worse.
3:49:03It's all those cases that have to reveal.
3:49:06Not being there for it.
3:49:07You get a sense, you see, that there's more of us in the country than flies.
3:49:12Flies almost.
3:49:13It's an hour and a half.
3:49:15I guess it's like...
3:49:16It's always when you have a kid.
3:49:18It's when you have a kid.
3:49:20It's when you take him out of the school.
3:49:23It's when you have a kid.
3:50:30Or it's a...
3:50:31There are quite a few cases in the show.
3:50:34They don't do a lot of questioning.
3:50:37It's a really average job.
3:50:39It's before we look at it for a little bit.
3:50:42Right away.
3:50:43How is it going?
3:50:44Do you think it's true?
3:50:45Do you think it's true?
3:50:47I think it's true.
3:51:01I don't know enough about it to know about it.

Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on ITT and Dita Beard

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