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I wanted to get this one thing out there.

Apparently this was a follow-up to my book.

I'm not sure if it's the same.

They wouldn't have said it until late last night.

Well, when you're going to get it, if you get it at all this day, just let us follow it up.

I think it's a very clever line.

Damn right.

The other thing is the same as the ITT head of the program.

That was just a quick question.

I think it was an answer to a question that I'm very awfully disgusted with.

And I also can't please, can't be responsive to those questions.

I don't want to, I don't want to be on my side.

I'd like to see you get it out of the way.

I'd like to see the mock-up.

What's your name?

What are you doing at the Capitol this morning?

Oh, I just got another draft.

I worked on it last night, and I think it's... Did you get this in page 6?

No, I didn't.

I'm trying to read this.

That's not the answer.

Okay, you did.

I did?

Yeah.

Oh, there's just something wrong in the way... No, no, no, I already wrote lots of...

I mean, I suggested we rewrite page 6 anyway, so...

But my feeling is that if we're going to do this, we've got to tell them.

I'm just going to hold up and recall her sitting there in the seat right now.

She doesn't know I'm planning to call her.

I'm planning to give this problem away to her.

Actually, a man who's 30 years or older, more of an editor.

Ray has cherished to get up on the couch.

We're going to call the Catholic Challenge.

We're going to be able to come up with a speech.

We're pressing on.

We've got some people who are coming up now.

OK, we're going to do that.

You feel we're safe down there?

OK. Down 11.

OK. All right.

Go forward.

12 o'clock.

And 11.30.

I think we do have the fact that

We ought to...

I think that the chances are that 75% will go.

I want history to go along, right?

We'll be back.

Once we come back Friday night,

It's not that necessary.

If you go down, you're not going to be home.

That's the right thing.

That's the one.

Let it go down.

That's what's great.

And have we seen if the grid iron came back to the grid line?

I just think that several of them are going down according to what we've seen.

And we've seen people out in the area for an indefinite amount of time.

What should I come back to for the grid iron?

You had said everybody ought to be here.

I sure as hell don't want to go, but we should be ready to come back.

I don't want us to appear to be in the picture, man.

Okay.

Okay, then I ought to go.

See my wife's over there.

I don't need to make it up there, because I didn't have a table.

Wow.

The other thing I'm going to say is that the drug thing, I had an idea, and I'm here to have a follow-up like this.

I'm hurrying around consistently.

I only wish that we would have gotten him in there, and that he would have looked, and accepted him, and I think it's all right what he is, but I don't think it's going to work.

It's going to be sad for everything.

Pictures of Nixon, close-up studies of Nixon are all over the place, and that's one more of those.

That's on the cover of the Keogh book.

It's on the cover of the Allen Brewery book.

It's not that same picture, but it makes it more apparent one way or the other.

The action shot people.

I was almost thought to be some spy in our office, or somebody who killed someone.

I don't know.

I think he's not dead right in one sense.

I find that the China trip has not been long enough.

In the public mind, I mean, it's been...

naturally, for a while, but it is there, it will come back, it is not the kind of thing that's going to stay out.

Would you agree or not?

Absolutely.

And also, I'm inclined to think that he overstates how much effect the other things have, all the public, you know, and the IATC, you know, and all that sort of thing, looking at it from one perspective, but also from one perspective.

It's the way it is here, isn't it?

Sure.

We'll talk about it later, but

They should notice how... Yeah, it was funny, because it was exactly the same thing that we were talking about.

That's really sexy.

Well, gee, the only thing I was thinking was the ramification.

You have to get her in something.

You know, and she was sort of going to walk, and I'll take that to me, and see if I can bust through the...

I've got to say, what I would do, in some way or the other, is to just get her in listening and having her drop down at a time when you're trying to get something that she should do, and having her work a little bit with her arm in order to be able to talk to her.

I just think it's a great thing for her to do.

You see, the difference between his approach, we've heard, and any approach from our staff, you know,

Or, any approach from Kant is that he does things with enormous enthusiasm, and there ain't no way to knock anybody over who's negative without enthusiasm.

Ours has difficulty with that, because, you know, they don't think it's very, sort of, their common sense.

But basically, they're not the kind of people that come in and say, gee whiz, this is great.

You know, I mean, it's a great thing to do.

And that's what she needs to hear.

I brought my train, and then we would just mail that, you think, with a letter, you know, with a note.

You know, we've been having this stuff the whole time, and every time, and all this has to be very simple.

You know, and then we'd order it every time, and whatever.

You know, and then we'd order it every time, and all this has to be very simple.

But I did as well as I said to the jury.

It was still a lot of chance.

It was time to make it.

I can't act you off.

I don't know if you could act you off.

...by all of the retired Congress.

But, openly, it's an honor for all of those who have been there.

You know, how they, the way you do it, you've got several of them, they're very, very high.

So what you do is you send gifts, and there's a range of mentors and committees, where we kind of call them, and send them.

But also, you invite others,

But I think you might as well if I get it in the church or in the house.

And that includes the good guys in the house.

That's right.

I may have the list, and I may send it back to you.

I want it to be black and white.

7 o'clock.

I think it was 7 o'clock last night.

It's about to...

It requires another hour of my time.

They do it for a long time.

Because I know those fellows very well.

I know a lot better than I know what it is.

It will require a lot of time.

I said, and I'm not going to lie to you.

I think you have just about the right number.

Those at the dinner, I've already mentioned the professor who was alive, and another woman who was the present dean of the law school.

Actually, it would have taken me an hour and a half anyway, but I think it was seven to five.

There was no way I could play it.

And I sort of offered, you know, I caught, you know, caught with him all the time.

I don't know what the number was.

The number that I entered comes out to be the class was over...

On that one, I would have it for the dance, I'm sure they had it for Oro and I, and it was just that, and that's that.

You see, I know it was a good law, but I don't know why.

If it wasn't this law, I wouldn't be there, and I wouldn't be here.

Not for that, at least.

That I'm just wondering.

On that, it's definitely up to you.

If you have any objection, I'm still going to do it today, or the other day, or something else.

I'm going to go ahead and speak to them.

I'm going to walk out.

Is that private?

They expect that.

They expect a handshake.

I don't know what they expect that I do with that one.

You've got something to say?

I don't know.

The dean of the government...

I, I, I want to invite, I want to invite the president of the university.

This is the dean, according to John Irvin, the bottom man, and the president of the university.

And they do, in this case,

And, uh...

Put your mind to that line in the speech, figuring off a one-minute

I'm thinking of a way to really get it on the TV news, in a way where they see that telephone, and the telephone number.

It's interesting, going through that, and all of the ER guys, the ones that normally push this stuff, feel very strongly,

And so to disrupt people, that you should not, as it's all been announced yet, you should mention it, that that should not be enough.

They all think it's too much of a non-presidential unit.

I don't, I'm the only one who disagrees with that.

They think it's going to be, that if you make it your thing, that it's going to be many of the laughingstock makes it terrible online.

And I think that they're arguing that Ambrose should announce it.

I think we've got to do that.

I've told them on the cutting page and so forth.

It doesn't require much regarding, let's simply say, one with Andrew, then we go Sunday night into the wilderness.

Yeah, go Sunday night.

And they, of course, particularly, just needs to be considered, you know, on the basis that, you know, lockdowns.

That's what I'm going to go back to.

That's it.

John and I talked a little about this one.

I don't think it is.

I don't.

He argues, though, that it doesn't have to be that good.

It was something done in fireside chat.

As you're dealing, you're doing something about a problem that is of top level concern to more people than any other than that, including the time.

It would be better if it was done.

We've done a whole lot.

We are getting results that nobody knows.

That nobody's going to know.

We'll do something like this.

Then we've got to follow up with a lot of... Well, that's dramatic, but we've got to do it.

If you're going to do that, I wouldn't do it.

Maybe a week after today.

I don't know.

As far as taking national television, to do a drug thing, I figure what I think we ought to do.

I think we've got an opportunity to start on it.

Maybe I think John is right.

They know what the thing is.

Let's do it.

We haven't done a fireside.

We want a fireside.

And do it on a Sunday night.

We've got an audience.

Hold the hotline.

Well, let them go with the hotline, then you talk about that as well.

Let them go.

And then you know whether it's worth it or not.

Let them go with another problem, whether the hotline will work.

Yeah, well, it will after they'll get more calls.

But let it go just before I go on.

In other words, the hotline should go on Friday, and I should go as they are on Sunday night at 2 a.m. No, I think we ought to hit the Sunday time.

I don't think you can ask for television time to go on and announce the hotline.

It isn't a big enough thing.

I think you can ask for television time.

That's what they're arguing.

To go on and discuss a problem and what we're doing.

Make people aware of it.

Announce the hotline.

I want to go on to announce the new program on television.

They want to test the 315 equal timing on a press conference rather than on the hard side of the channel.

It would be better to have a week after you've done a press conference and then do this.

There's no timing to do this.

No, no, we can grab this issue.

I think you can grab this issue in May.

We need something, and I can do it almost any time.

Let's get them to rewrite it.

Can I say this then?

I'm a little certain that...

We are talking about 1,500 words.

Because I really believe, if I go on, that the best length is around 12 minutes.

You know, I do a Muslim thing, which is about 14 minutes, 14 and a half.

But I had to, because it was cramped up.

That was the maximum, utter max degree.

But 1,500 words, 1,500 words, was really insane.

And to only get to work on it, and I think we'll, and let's say we will do it on Halloween,

I think you're right.

Let me say, it's worth trying.

It's worth getting us identified with what the hell we're doing on drugs.

And try that week.

And edge that off.

I will urge people to call that number.

That's the point.

I'll say, here's the number.

Put that number up there as I talk.

Take it down.

I'll urge various stations around the country.

I'll urge them to call this number.

And if you've got any information, we need your help.

Flash a picture of Ambrose on there.

The big cop.

You know, that idea.

Yeah, yeah.

So I left Ambrose.

Well, I got kicked from Prairie, frankly, just on an independent basis with Ambrose.

And just started giving prior launch to... Ambrose could do, if he'll do it, what we wanted, in a way, Mitchell could do, and he would.

It was out of character for a minute, I'm sorry.

And it probably did not dignify 3030 generally.

But, you know, Ambrose, he could do it like Booger did in the 30s.

I had this goddamn armored food cart, I had to roar down the street with the bullets flying and get some goddamn drug peddler.

Right.

But I hollered and shoved him into the camera and said, this son of a bitch isn't going to sell anymore.

I don't want to hear kids because I'm putting him in jail.

Because that's what the strike force told me to do.

And he announced it was the strike force that were going here and there.

And then he comes in and reports to me and we give an award to somebody.

It was the cost of drugs that I had to call either of them and I gave them awards.

We find ways to do it that way.

Yeah.

I think we can make some drugs out of that.

Do it at once every move, or do we tie it back to you?

No, let's do the drug thing.

I think the drug thing would be a very good follow-up for the first time.

Okay.

I think there's two calls this morning.

I thought we had a moment to see if we could do that sometime today.

...or the symbolism of it, you know, so... ...it's very, very... ...it's very, very... ...very, very... ...very, very... ...very, very... ...very, very... ...very, very... ...very, very...

He's very positive.

He said, I have nothing to talk about.

I understand.

Yeah.

But then he's all the game today.

He wrote his story out here.

Oh, yeah.

That letter.

Yeah.

I'm trying to get this thing finished, you know, get something done, and it's taking a lot of time.

No, it's a good thing before the weekend.

It's a good thing for the weekend.

And also, to get him.

You know, praise the river.

So he has to.

Yeah.

From three o'clock on, my feeling is that they're coming in around five o'clock.

Five o'clock.

Just tell me, what's his schedule this evening?

They feel they have to go ahead on that network litigation.

Clients already told me, they said that.

Right.

Clients already told me.

They told me to work that out with clients and some type of that.

And just basically to make them hear, you know, and they're expecting, they're not restricted.

You know, if I didn't let them, they're essentially leaving me here or something.

So then, it doesn't affect them or do cure any of that.

But now, it has to do with their production of their own programs.

Which is something that we need to do.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Crisis revolving with regard to whether convention halls will be ready.

They've got a force of which is all over the place.

And that would be doing everything against them.

And that attitude brought in where the press starts going to be really cool.

And they say, oh, now we're getting down to any point.

Yeah, this is going to be fun.

And let's see.

People out there, the wheels of mobilization are starting to turn.

Well, I think it's another thing.

I don't know if more things are going on.

It's a pretty good time.

That would be a good reason.

Yeah.

It's a good time.

Yeah.

Stay out of it.

Stay out of it pretty well.

Because he wants to be very much on the same track.

He's turning it off on the other basis, not on the basis of the demonstration.

Well, yeah, of course.

God probably has under control, except that John's PR sense is not very good at times.

Well, I think it's another little war thing that's going on.

It's a pretty good time to go.

It's got to be a good version of that.

Yeah.

It's got to go around by a dollar or maybe five dollars or something like that.

The police are talking about the policing and the demonstrations.

He doesn't want that.

He's got it put on his own.

That's right.

He's not upset with us.

He was disturbed at my instance.

That was before you raised the matter.

Yes.

Stay out of it.

Because he wants to be very much on the same track.

He's turning it off on the other basis, not on the basis of the demonstration.

Well, yeah, of course.

John probably had one in the cold, except that John's PR sense is not very good at times.

He was already, you know, he had a bag on him, and he was probably like, I don't know if he was seriously considering, but he couldn't get out.

Thank you very much.