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Start Date: 19-Sep-1972 1:45 PM

End Date: 19-Sep-1972 3:10 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.Ehrlichman, John D.[Unknown person(s)]Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

357-005.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, John D. Ehrlichman, unknown person(s), and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:45 pm to 3:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 357-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 357-5

Date: September 19, 1972
Time: 1:45 pm - 3:10 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.


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             1972 campaign
                 -Issues
                      -National defense, amnesty, Vietnam, Watergate, grain
                      and poverty
                          -George S. McGovern
                 -National security as an issue
                      -Melvin R. Laird
                          -John D. Ehrlichman, H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, Colson
                          -Meet the Press appearance
                 -Various campaign issues
                      -Focus
                          -Emphasis on selected issues

             Amnesty, Vietnam
                -McGovern
                    -Social Security
                    -Administration response

             Louis P. Harris

The President talked with Ehrlichman between 1:53 pm and 1:54 pm.

[Conversation No. 357-5A]

[See Conversation No. 30-5]

[End of telephone conversation]

             Issues during the campaign
                 -Amnesty
                      -News summary
                      -The President's position compared with McGovern
                      -Presentation of issue
                          -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
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                          -George Meany
                 -Press coverage
                     -National Broadcasting Corporation [NBC] television and Columbia
                     Broadcasting System [CBS]
                          -Amnesty
                 -Amnesty
                     -McGovern
                          -Albert E. Sindlinger
                 -Catholic vote
                     -Aid for parochial schools
                          -Administration position
                               -McGovern
                               -Public relations efforts
                 -Amnesty and marijuana as an issue
                     -Youth vote
                 -Youth
                     -[Meany] quote
                 -Poll questions answers and results
                     -McGovern's supporters lifestyle
                     -McGovern's position in poll results
                          -Harris’ view
                 -Amnesty issue
                     -Domestic Council staff's perception
                          -Impact
                     -Other issues
                     -Administration spokesmen

             Appearance before United Steel workers by James D. Hodgson

             Campaign issues
                -Amnesty and abortion
                    -The President's position

The President talked with Ehrlichman between 2:01 pm and 2:02 pm.

[Conversation No. 357-5B]

[See Conversation No. 30-6]

[End of telephone conversation]
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             McGovern
                -Issues
                     -The President’s view
                     -John N. Mitchell’s view
                     -Amnesty
                         -Possible Congressional action
                              -Strategy


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The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 2:02 pm and 2:29
pm.

[Conversation No. 357-5C]

             Return of call

[End of telephone conversation]


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          Campaign issues
             -McGovern
                 -Foreign policy
             -Foreign policy
                 -Campaign strategy
                      -William P. Rogers
                          -Foreign Affairs Council
                      -Laird
                          -Today show
                      -Theodore H. White
                      -Youth
                          -Unknown person
                 -The President's speech to International
                 Monetary Fund [IMF]
                 -Laird
                      -Public statements in support of the President
                          -Schedule
                 -Rogers
                      -Forthcoming conversation with Colson and Rogers
                 -The President's conversation with Henry A. Kissinger
                      -Public statements made in campaign
                          -News coverage
                               -New York Times, Washington Post
                          -Abram F. Chayes
                               -Newsweek
                 -Editorial
                      -Rogers

          US foreign policies
              -US strength
                  -Position in world
                       -Public relations efforts
              -Laird
              -Connally
              -Broadcast
                  -Timing


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          Campaign finances
             -R. Sargent Shriver
                  -Statement
                  -Eunice Kennedy Shriver
                       -Wire story
                       -Clark MacGregor
                           -Press conference
                                -Financial disclosure
                                -Relationship with Kennedy family
                                -McGovern
             -Kennedy family
                  -Family financial information
                       -Incomes
                           -Trust funds
                  -Servants
                  -Automobiles
             -Incomes in general
                  -Running for public office


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                 -Income levels
                     -Steelworkers


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                 -Taxes
                 -Previous income
                 -McGovern's income

             1972 campaign
                 -McGovern's campaign
                     -Question of campaign financing violations
                         -Robert J. Dole

Kissinger entered at 2:29 pm.

                 -Number of campaign contribution violations
                    -Stewart R. Mott
                        -Reports

             US foreign policies
                 -Letters to Edward R.G. Heath, Georges J.R. Pompidou, Willy Brandt, and
                 Leonid I. Brezhnev
                     -National Security Council [NSC] staff
                     -Presidential trips
                     -Visits to US
                           -Sir Alexander F. (“Alec”) Douglas-Home
                           -Maurice Schumann
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                  -Brezhnev and Camp David
                  -Letter to Brezhnev about hydrofoil gift to the President
                  -Andrei A. Gromyko
                      -Trip to US
                            -Itinerary
                      -Rogers
                      -The President's coinciding trip
                      -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
                      -Brandt
                      -Letters from the President
                            -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

Kissinger left at 2:34 pm.

             1972 campaign
                 -Harris poll
                 -Economy
                     -Comparison to Dwight D. Eisenhower's administration
                          -Confidence
                          -Comparison of issues
                              -1956 election, 1954 recession
                          -George Humphrey
                          -1958 recession
                     -Industrial production
                          -Housing starts
                          -Stock market
                 -George H. Gallup poll
                 -Stock market
                     -Individuals following the stock market
                          -New York Times, Washington Post, news magazines
                          -McGovern


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             CBS
                -Possible action

             News story
                -Effect
                -The President’s instructions
                     -Colson

             The President's schedule
                 -Oval Office

Colson left at 3:10 pm.