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Start Date: 9-Oct-1972 1:38 PM

End Date: 9-Oct-1972 3:05 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")White House operatorHall, Joan

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

365-005.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, and Joan Hall met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:38 pm to 3:05 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 365-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 365-5

Date: October 9, 1972
Time: 1:38 pm - 3:05 pm
Location: Executive Office Building
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
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The President met with Charles W. Colson.


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 10m 31s ]


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        Campaign practices
           -George S. McGovern campaign
               -Albert E. Sindlinger's October 9, 1972 telephone call to
                Colson
                   -Public reaction
               -George S. McGovern's descriptions of the President
                   -Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy, Harry s. Truman
               -Chicago Tribune article attacking Franklin D. Roosevelt
               -McGovern’s attacks
                   -Tone
                        -Press view
               -McGovern
                   -The President’s view
               -Ku Klux Klan [KKK]
                   -Campaign Fair Practices Committee
                   -Common Cause
                        -[John W. Gardner]
               -Joseph McCarthy
                   -Alger Hiss case
                        -The President's role
               -Charges filed with campaign fair practices committee
                   -Report
               -News summary
               -McGovern's campaign
                   -Need for Republican charges and responses
                        -Robert J. Dole
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                     Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. Oct-06)

         -Clark MacGregor
              -New York Times article
         -Dole
              -Letter
         -Charles H. Percy
              -KKK charges
              -1976 campaign
         -Edward W. Brooke
              -KKK charges
-Adolf Hitler analogy
    -Witch hunt, Jews
         -The President’s view
              -Media
         -Sindlinger
-US public reaction
    -Thomas F. Eagleton
    -Prisoners of war [POWs]
         -North Vietnamese exploitation
              -POW statement
              -Sindlinger, Louis P. Harris, George H. Gallup
               polls
    -Conservatives
-Questioning McGovern’s tactics, not motives
-The President’s recent press conference
    -New York Times
-KKK, Republican Party comparison by McGovern
    -Descriptions of the President
         -The President’s trips to Peking, Moscow
         -Vietnam
              -US troop withdrawal, troop reduction
-Extremism
    -Republican response
         -R. Sargent Shriver’s and McGovern’s statements
         -Fact sheet
    -Richard M. Scammon's analysis
         -Extremists
              -Immorality
              -Hitler’s final remarks
                   -McGovern
    -California
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                                        (rev. Oct-06)

        Poll
               -Harris
                   -Number of percentage points


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 20m 14s ]


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        Events
           -News value
               -US-Soviet Union trade agreement
               -Maritime agreement
               -Revenue sharing
               -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] II agreement
               -European Security Conference
               -Economy
                    -Prices
                    -Donald H. Rumsfeld
           -Radio addresses

        The President’s schedule
            -Philadelphia

The President talked with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman at an unknown time between 1:38 pm and
2:20 pm.

[Conversation No. 365-5A]

        Requested that Haldeman join the meeting

[End of telephone conversation]
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Oct-06)


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 1m 43s ]


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Colson talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 1:38 pm and 2:20 pm.

Colson talked with Joan Hall at an unknown time between 1:38 pm and 2:20 pm.

[Conversation No. 365-5B]

[See Conversation no. 31-27]

[End of telephone conversation]

Haldeman entered at 2:20 pm.


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 37m 15s ]


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        1972 campaign
            -Corruption charges
                -Press coverage
                     -Washington Post story
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Oct-06)

                         -William E. Timmons
                         -Alfred C. Baldwin, III
                         -John J. Sirica
                         -Jack N. Anderson
                         -Baldwin
                             -Confidential memoranda delivery
                         -Veracity
                         -Response
                             -Denial
                                  -Ronald L. Ziegler
                             -Robert J. Dole
                    -Washington Post
                    -Public interest
                    -Thomas W. Braden
                         -Henry A. Kissinger
                 -White House staff and Cabinet officials

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:38 pm.

        The President’s schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:05 pm.

                     -Culpability
                     -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
                          -Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson
                          -Conservatives
                 -US-Soviet Union grain deal
                     -Clarence D. Palmby
                     -July 8, 1972 announcement
                     -Soviet action
                     -Clifford H. Hardin, Palmby
                          -The President’s role in the deal
                               -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                                   -The President’s previous trip to the Soviet Union
                     -Knowledge
                          -Earl L. Butz
                          -Peter G. Peterson
                     -July 8, 1972 announcement
                     -Palmby
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                                       Tape Subject Log
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                 -Administration
                    -Comparison to Franklin D. Roosevelt's 1936
                     campaign

        Schedule
            -Forthcoming meeting with Samuel I. Newhouse

Haldeman and Colson left at 3:05 pm.