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Start Date: 27-Oct-1972 9:10 AM

End Date: 27-Oct-1972 9:50 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Buchanan, Patrick J.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

374-011.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Patrick J. Buchanan, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:10 am to 9:50 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 374-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 374-11

Date: October 27, 1972
Time: 9:10-9:50 a.m.
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Patrick J. Buchanan.

        White Paper on campaign practices
           -The President’s instructions
           -For the record
           -Editor of Barron's
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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             -Subjects
                 -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case
                      -The President’s press conference
                 -Soviet Union grain deal
                 -The President's involvement
                 -Carpet industry gift charges
                 -Corruption
                 -American Federation of Teachers [AFT] support for McGovern
                      -Right to strike
                      -Campaign contributions
                      -Press coverage
                 -ITT, Watergate
                 -The Milk Fund
                      -Congress
                           -Wilbur D. Mills

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 9:14 am.

        White paper
           -Watergate cover up and campaign practices
                -Reports on H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman involvement
                -Washington Post article, October 27, 1972
                    -Democratic National Committee
                         -San Francisco
                    -Clean administration
                    -Sabotage
                         -Information on rallies
                              -Necessity
                                  -News summary
                    -Barry M. Goldwater’s campaign
                    -Democratic campaign tactics
                         -Action against Edward R.F. Cox
                         -Republican Phoenix headquarters
                         -Damage in San Francisco
                         -Los Angeles
                         -Republican National Convention
                              -McGovern supporters
                              -Damage
                         -Violence
                         -Lack of criticism
                         -Organization of demonstrators
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                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Oct-06)

                     -Rallies of the President, Thelma C. (“Pat”)
                      Nixon, [Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Tricia
                      Nixon Cox]
                          -Hecklers
                               -Free speech
                 -Lack of criticism
                 -Campaign finances
                 -Double standard
                 -Desperation tactics
                     -Reasons

McGovern and 1972 campaign
   -The President’s view
   -McGovern’s position on Vietnam
       -White House attacks
       -Settlement
            -W[illiam] Averell Harriman’s statement
       -Communist government in South Vietnam
       -Prisoners of war [POWs]
       -Laos, Cambodia
       -Disarmament of South Vietnam
       -Unconditional withdrawal of US
       -“Peace with surrender”
       -“Peace with Honor”
       -White House attacks
            -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
       -Effect on negotiations
       -Thailand
       -McGovern settlement terms
            -Cambodia
            -Laos
            -POWs
            -Peter Lisagor’s statement on coalition government
       -Administration achievement of peace terms
            -Effect on critics

Press relations
    -Administration policy on returning calls to the press
         -The president’s orders
         -Washington Post Watergate story
              -Murrey Marder, Carroll Kilpatrick, Joseph C. Kraft
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                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Oct-06)

             -New York Times
             -Libel actions
                 -John M. Mitchell
                 -Maurice H. Stans
                 -Haldeman

McGovern and 1972 campaign
   -McGovern’s position on Vietnam
   -Aid to Laos and Cambodia
   -Ramifications
       -Communism Laos and Cambodia
       -Thailand
       -South Vietnam
       -Peace with surrender
            -Guarantees on POW's
            -Good faith of enemy
   -White House attacks on McGovern criticism
       -McGovern position
            -Terms of agreement
            -Ability to obtain same terms previously
       -Charles W. Colson
       -Response by the White House
       -Kissinger’s previous trip to Paris
            -R. Sargent Shriver’s statement on the President’s morality
                 -The president’s order to response
                 -Administration use of trip
                      -Indira Gandhi
                 -Hanoi
                 -Reason for trip

Vietnam peace settlement
    -The press
        -Ronald L. Ziegler’s view
        -The President’s view
            -Motivations
                 -Thieu
                 -POWs
                 -Laos, Cambodia
                     -Bombing and mining, May 8, 1972
                          -Summit meeting with Soviets, May 1972
                 -Mood
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                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. Oct-06)

        -Issue of the coalition government
             -Le Duc Tho
             -Thieu’s strategy
                 -Opposition in South Vietnam
                 -Communists
             -Cease-fire agreement
             -Elections in Vietnam
                 -Prospects

    -The press
        -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s conversation with Marder
        -White House treatment of Washington Post
        -White House attacks on McGovern, Shriver
             -President’s view
        -Strategy
        -McGovern’s Vietnam position
             -Thieu

Publication of White Paper by Barron’s
    -Reprints
    -Release by an individual
         -St. Louis Globe-Democrat
         -Clark MacGregor
    -Reason for publication
         -For campaign
         -For the record

1972 campaign
    -Television [TV] program October 26, 1972
        -Press coverage
             -Networks

McGovern campaign tactics
   -Bombing
   -Violence
   -Hecklers
       -Location
   -Treatment of McGovern, Shriver compared with the President

Vietnam peace settlement
    -1972 campaign
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Oct-06)

                 -Aggressive campaigning
                      -Agnew
                          -Cease-fire Agreement
                               -Secrecy
                 -Administration campaign strategy
                      -McGovern attacks
                          -Delay of peace
                          -“Peace with honor”
                          -“Peace with surrender”
             -Hanoi’s public release of settlement
                 -Content of agreement
             -1972 election
                 -Timing of settlement
                 -Prospects for peace

Buchanan left at 9:30 am.

        Vietnam peace settlement
            -Administration campaign strategy
            -Political aspects
                -Contrast with McGovern proposals
                -Coalition government
                -POWs
                -Laos, Cambodia
                -Defense of South Vietnam
                -North Vietnam
                -Thieu’s position
                -Propaganda
                      -North Vietnam
                      -Signing of agreement
                      -Western propaganda
                      -US support for Thieu
                -Intelligence information
                      -North Vietnamese officials
                          -North Vietnamese strategy and 1972 election
                               -October 26, 1972

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[National security]
[Duration: 11s ]
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Oct-06)


       INTELLIGENCE

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

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               -Present situation
                    -Message to North Vietnamese
                    -Kissinger's schedule
           -Press relations
               -Kissinger's press briefing, October 26, 1972
               -The President’s view
                    -Lisagor
                    -Bernard Kalb
               -Killed in action [KIA] figures for previous week
               -Media coverage
           -Type of settlement
               -No surrender
                    -Desire of American public
               -McGeorge Bundy's appearance on TV

       Watergate
          -The New York Times
          -The Washington Post story on campaign charges
               -White House response
               -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and secret fund
                   -The President’s view
                   -Kissinger’s view
               -Nelson A. Rockefeller’s campaign tactics
                   -Wiretaps
                        -Rockefeller’s associates
               -Watergate
          -Wiretapping
          -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
          -Watergate break-in
               -Democratic National Committee [DNC]
                   -Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr.
               -Responsibility
               -Hubert H. Humphrey
               -Edmund S. Muskie
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                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Oct-06)

        -Kissinger’s view

Campaign strategy
   -Attacks on McGovern
   -Vietnam as issue
   -Aggressive campaigning
       -Barry M. Goldwater
   -McGovern attacks on Vietnam peace settlement
       -Effect on peace settlement talks
       -Effect on US

Vietnam peace settlement negotiations
    -North Vietnamese strategy
        -Publication of settlement terms
        -Possible White House strategies
        -Thieu’s actions
             -Dispatching of ambassadors worldwide
             -Referendum proposal
             -Kissinger’s conversation with Joseph W. Alsop
             -William F. Buckley, Jr.’s possible visit with Thieu
                  -Catholicism
        -Post-1972 election strategy
             -Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.
             -Kissinger’s role
        -Thieu’s position in light of US strategy
        -South Vietnamese government
             -Administrative structure
        -1972 campaign
             -John B. Connally
        -Haig’s call to Connally
    -Reaction to timing of settlement
    -Kissinger's talk with Alsop
        -Forthcoming article
    -Haig's forthcoming telephone call to Cardinal Cooke
    -Kissinger’s forthcoming telephone cal to Ronald W. Reagan
        -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
        -Coalition government
        -Attack on McGovern
    -Haig’s forthcoming telephone calls to Samuel W. Yorty,
     George C. Wallace
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 1m 41s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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       Vietnam
           -Kissinger’s forthcoming telephone call to Connally
               -Colson’s previous call to George E. Christian
               -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
           -Agnew
               -Haig’s briefing
               -The President’s view
               -The President’s relationship with conservatives
                    -The President’s November 3, 1969 speech
                         -Demonstrations
               -Mining Haiphong, bombing North Vietnam
                    -Negotiations
           -Thieu
               -US strategy
           -North Vietnam
               -Strategy
                    -Message
           -North Vietnam position compared with US position
               -Bombing halt
                    -Progress
                    -Timing

       The President’s schedule
           -Harold Lee
               -Hong Kong

       Kissinger’s forthcoming telephone call to Connally
           -Kissinger’s forthcoming telephone call to the President
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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Kissinger left at 9:50 am.