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Start Date: Saturday, November 4, 1972 2:55 PM

End Date: Saturday, November 4, 1972 3:36 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Ehrlichman, John D.[Unknown person(s)]White House operatorMeskill, Thomas J.Bull, Stephen B.Powell, WesleyPowell, BeverlyBoggs, J. CalebDuPont, Pierre S.Thompson, S. FletcherMacIver, John K.Hirsch, RobertMcClure, James A.Smith, Margaret ChaseBaker, Howard H., Jr.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

389-011.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, unknown person(s), White House operator, Thomas J. Meskill, Stephen B. Bull, Wesley Powell, Beverly Powell, J. Caleb Boggs, Pierre S. DuPont, S. Fletcher Thompson, John K. MacIver, Robert Hirsch, James A. McClure, Margaret Chase Smith, and Howard H. Baker, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:55 am to 10:36 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 389-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 389-11

Date: November 4, 1972
Time: 9:55 am - 10:36 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman.


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       1972 campaign
            -The President
            -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)

     -Face the Nation
            -Time
     -Charles W. Colson
            -Cancellation
-George S. McGovern
-Unions
     -Hardhat strike
            -Ohio
-New Jersey
-Agnew
     -Platforms
     -Criticism of McGovern
-McGovern
     -Statement
            -Rebuttals
                  -William P. Rogers
                        -Television [TV]
                        -Problems
                              -Colson
                              -Henry A. Kissinger
                                    -Statement
-Rogers
     -Appearance on TV
     -Scheduling
            -Vietnam settlemt
            -Confidence
            -Advance release
-Agnew
     -Appearance
            -Cancellation
                  -Colson
                  -TV
-New Jersey
-Response
     -Agnew, Rogers
            -Improvise
     -The President
     -Kissinger
            -Air Force One
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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                            Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)

                            -Press pool

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      1972 campaign
           -McGovern speech in Chicago, November 3, 1972
                -Response
                     -Henry A. Kissinger
                          -Effectiveness
                          -“Peace is at hand” and other comments at press conference,
                           October 26, 1972
                                -Justification
                                -Compared to the President’s comments
                                       -McGovern and press attempts to exploit differences
                                       -“Concrete issues”
                                             -Compared to details
                                       -“Central issues” quote [re: Vietnam]
                                             -Accuracy


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           -The President’s schedule
                -Telephone calls
                -William T. Cahill
                -Rescheduling
                -New Jersey
           -McGovern
                -Statement
                      -Criticism
                             -Substance
                                  -Vietnam settlement
                                  -“Central issues” quote
                                  -Tactics
                      -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                           Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)


Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:55 am and 10:04
am.

[Conversation No. 389-11A]

[See also Conversation No. 33-10]

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule
            -Haldeman’s telephone call to Price

Haldeman talked to an unknown woman at an unknown time between 9:55 am and 10:04 am.

[Conversation No.389-11B]

[See Conversation No. 33-11A]

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The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 9:55 am and 10:04
am.

[Conversation No. 389-11R]

[Conversation No. 33-11B]

       Greetings

[End of telephone conversation]

[End of Conversation No. 389-11B]

Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:55 am and 10:04
am.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                             Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)

[Conversation No. 389-11C]

[See also Conversation No. 33-12]

[End of telephone conversation]

       1972 campaign
            -McGovern speech in Chicago
                 -“Central issues” quote [re: Vietnam]
                      -Accuracy

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:55 am and
10:04 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11D]

[See Conversation No. 33-13]

The President talked with Thomas J. Meskill between 10:04 am and 10:08 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11E]

[See Conversation No. 33-14]

       Greetings


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[End of telephone conversation

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:08 am.

       The President’s schedule
            -Meeting with Ehrlichman
            -Telephone calls
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                            Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)

                   -Cahill

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The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:08 am and
10:09 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11F]

[See Conversation No. 33-15]

The President talked with Wesley Powell between 10:09 am and 10:13 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11G]

[See Conversation No. 33-16]

       Greetings


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Beverly Powell joined the conversation at an unknown time before 10:13 am.

Wesley Powell joined the conversation at an unknown time before 10:13 am.

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule
            -J. Caleb Boggs

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The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:13 am and
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                             Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)

10:14 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11H]

[See Conversation No. 33-17]


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The President talked with Boggs at an unknown time between 10:13 am and 10:14 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11I]

[See Conversation No. 33-18]

Pierre S. Dupont, IV. joined the conversation at an unknown time before 10:14 am.

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule
            -S. Fletcher Thompson

The President talked with Thompson between 10:14 am and 10:16 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11J]

[See Conversation No. 33-19]

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule
            -John K. MacIver

The President talked with MacIver between 10:17 am and 10:19 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11K]

[See Conversation No. 33-20]
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                           Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)


[End of telephone conversation]

       Future telephone calls
             -Robert J. Dole
             -Howard H. Baker, Jr.

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:20 am.

Haldeman entered at 10:20 am.

       1972 campaign
            -Television [TV]
                  -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
                  -Cancellation
            -New Jersey
            -Buchanan
                  -Statement

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       1972 campaign
            -McGovern speech in Chicago
                 -“Central issues” quote [re: Vietnam]
                      -Peace
                      -Details
                      -Breakdown
                             -Effect on settlement agreement
                      -The President’s address to the nation, “Look to the Future,” November
                       2, 1972
                             -Settlement agreement
                                    -Issues to be resolved
                                          -Removal of ambiguities
                                          -Details
                                                 -1968 bombing halt
                                          -Peace
                                          -Details
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                             Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)

                                               -“Central points”
                                                    -The President’s May 8, 1972 speech
                                                            -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                                                            -Cease-fire
                                                            -South Vietnam self-
                                                             determination
                                                    -Patrick J. Buchanan’s point
                                                            -Hoax
                                                    -Phrasing
                                                            -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                                                            -Kissinger’s insistence
                                                                  -Price
                  -Response
                       -Buchanan’s view
                       -William P. Rogers
                       -Kissinger’s view
                             -Ronald L. Ziegler’s conversation with Kissinger
                       -Kissinger
                             -Press relations
                                    -Ziegler’s view
                                          -Press pool report
                                                -Effect
                                                      -Escalation
                       -The President’s November 3, 1972 statement
                       -The President’s address to the nation “Look to the Future”
                             -Settlement agreement
                                    -Breakthrough
                                    -Central issues
                                          -POWs
                                          -Cease-fire
                                          -South Vietnam self-determination
                                          -Cease-fire
                                          -Details
                                                -1968 bombing halt
                                          -Peace
                                          -Details
                                                -“Central points”

Haldeman left and Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:20 am.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                           Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)



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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

       1972 campaign
            -Telephone call to Robert W. Hirsh
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -South Dakota
            -Dole, Baker

[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:27 am and
10:28 a.m.

[Conversation No. 389-11L]

[See Conversation No. 33-21]


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The President talked with Robert Hirsch between 10:20 am and 10:22 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11M]

[See Conversation No. 33-22]

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule
            -James A. McClure

The President talked with James A. McClure between 10:28 am and 10:29 am.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                           Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)

[Conversation No. 389-11N]

[See Conversation No. 33-23]

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule
            -Telephone calls
                  -Margaret Chase Smith

The President talked with Margaret Chase Smith between 10:30 am and 10:33 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11O]

[See Conversation No. 33-24]

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule
            -Howard H. Baker

The President talked with Howard H. Baker, Jr. Between 10:34 am and 10:36 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11P]

[See Conversation No. 33-25]

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:36 am.

[End of telephone conversation]

       The President’s schedule
            -Telephone calls
                  -Dole
                  -Cahill
                  -Boggs
                  -William (“Willy”) Mills

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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb.-08)

                                                            Conversation No. 389-11 (cont’d)

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The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:36 am and
10:41 am.

[Conversation No. 389-11Q]

       [See also Conversation No. 33-26]

Ehrlichman left at an unknown time before 10:36 am.