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Start Date: 8-Jan-1973 3:29 PM

End Date: 8-Jan-1973 4:04 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Thomas, Helen A.Lewine, FrancesZiegler, Ronald L.Sanchez, ManoloAtkins, Oliver F. ("Ollie")

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

394-019.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Helen A. Thomas, Frances Lewine, Ronald L. Ziegler, Manolo Sanchez, and Oliver F. ("Ollie") Atkins met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:29 pm to 4:04 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 394-019 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 394-19

Date: January 8, 1973
Time: 3:29 pm - 4:04 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Helen Thomas, Fran Lewine, and Ronald L. Ziegler. The White House
photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Birthday greetings

       Women clothing

       The President's schedule
            -Inaugural speech
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Sept.-08)

                                                             Conversation No. 394-19 (cont’d)

                  -Lyndon B. Johnson

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:29 pm.

       Refreshments
            -Coffee

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:04 pm.

       Birthdays
             -Women’s interest
             -The President’s service as Vice President
                   -Greetings to Congress, governors
                         -Changes
                         -Decades
                         -Rose Mary Woods
             -Friend's 70th birthday
             -The President's 60th birthday
                   -Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo
                         -Age
                                 -William P. Rogers

       Age
             -The President's conversation with George H.W. Bush
                  -Candidates
                        -Congress
                        -Quality, organization
                        -House of Representatives
                               -Maximum age
                                     -First candidacy
                                     -Exceptions
                                     -Physical requirements
                                     -Seniority
                                            -Chairman, Speaker of the House
                        -Senate
                               -Maximum age
                                     -Experience
                                     -Chairman
                        -Exceptions
                               -[Name unintelligible]
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     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Sept.-08)

                                               Conversation No. 394-19 (cont’d)

                        -Wife
                   -James J. Wadsworth
                        -Influence on the President
-The President's age
     -Candidacies for House of Representatives and Senate
-Judges
     -Earl Warren
            -Vigor
     -The President's appointments to Supreme Court
            -Maximum age
            -Value of experience
                   -Harry A. Blackman
                   -Lewis F. Powell, Jr.
                   -Charles S. Rhyne's comments
            -William H. Rehnquist
            -Powell
     -Other courts
            -Maximum age
     -Rehnquist
-Women
-Men
     -Exceptions
     -Dwight D. Eisenhower
     -Konrad Adenauer
            -Meetings with the President
     -[First name unknown] Yoshito [?]
            -Japan
            -Meeting with the President
     -Adenauer
     -Gen. Charles A.J.M deGaulle
     -Winston S. Churchill
     -Herbert C. Hoover
            -Accomplishments late in life
-The President's view
     -Ages 20,30,40,50
-Importance of young people
     -Older people
            -Utility
     -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
     -Stephen B. Bull
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Sept.-08)

                                                             Conversation No. 394-19 (cont’d)

                   -Tricia Nixon Cox
                   -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
             -Importance of physical fitness
                   -Charles B. ("Bud") Wilkinson
                   -The President's exercise routine at Camp David
                          -Secret Service
             -World leaders
                   -France, Britain
                          -Churchill, de Gaulle
                   -Physical, mental, and emotional demands
             -Orientation to future
             -Slowing down
             -Doctors
             -Burdens of office
                   -Effects
                   -Heart attack
                   -Compared to boredom
                   -Johnson
                          -Heart problems
                          -Relevance to office
                   -Gen. Douglas MacArthur
                   -Hoover
             -Value of interaction with young people
             -The President’s thoughts on decade ahead
                   -Compared to last decade
                          -1962 defeat
                                -California governor
                   -Second term

       Items in office
             -Photographs
                   -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                   -Julie Nixon Eisenhower

       Birthday celebration
             -Mrs. Nixon, Tricia Nixon Cox, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Woods
             -Gifts
                    -White House staff

Ms. Thomas, Levine and Ziegler left at 4:04 pm.
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Sept.-08)