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Start Date: 23-Jan-1973 1:59 PM

End Date: 23-Jan-1973 2:30 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.Sanchez, Manolo

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

404-026a.mp3

404-026b.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:59 pm to 2:30 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 404-026 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 404-26

Date: January 23, 1973
Time: 1:59 pm - 2:30 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

       Colson's lawsuit against Time
            -Publicity
                   -Wire services
            -Colson’s conversations
            -Libel suits
            -Richard G. Kleindienst’s analysis
                                     -38-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Feb-09)

                                                    Conversation No. 404-26 (cont’d)

     -Hung jury
     -Settlement
            -Hill case before Supreme Court

Vietnam settlement
     -The President's speech
           -Timing
     -Conditions
           -Cease-fire in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia
           -Right of South Vietnam to hold elections
     -The President's strategy against opponents
           -White Hose staff meeting
                  -Henry A. Kissinger
           -December 1972 bombing
           -Tone
           -Colson's role
           -Kenneth W. Clawson, Herbert G. Klein, John A. Scali
           -Labor leaders
                  -Calls
                  -Personal letters from the President
                         -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman's list
                         -Frank E. Fitzsimmons, George Meany
           -Veterans leaders and other groups
           -Kissinger
           -Tone
           -Announcement by Colson and Scali
           -Political left
           -Unknown man
                  -Statement
           -Duration
           -Possible effect
     -The President's opponents
           -Attacks compared to attacks on Herbert Hoover
           -Counterattacks
                  -Effect
                  -Tone
           -The President's goals in Southeast Asia
     -Future
           -Cease-fire
                  -Violations
                                      -39-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Feb-09)

                                                       Conversation No. 404-26 (cont’d)

            -Cambodia
            -US withdrawal
            -Prisoners of War [POWs]
     -The President's opponents
            -Republicans
                  -Charles McC. Mathias, Jr., William B. Saxbe, Jacob K. Javits, Clifford
                   P. Case
     -George D. Aiken
            -Meeting with Colson
            -Attendance at Congressional leaders meeting
            -Call from Colson
     -Hugh Scott
     -Aiken
     -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield
     -Aiken
            -Remarks
            -Meeting with Colson
            -Support for President
     -Possible counterattacks
            -"Doves" effect
     -Aiken
     -Criticism of President
            -Counterattacks
            -Raymond K. Price [?]
     -Press relations
            -The President’s opponents
            -Congress
     -The President's speech
            -Audience
            -Importance
            -Length
            -Congress
            -Equal time
     -The President's opponents in press
            -Scali's view
            -Clawson's view

Support for the President's decisions
     -Laos, Cambodia, Peking
     -William P. Rogers, Melvin R. Laird, White House staff
                                                 -40-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Feb-09)

                                                           Conversation No. 404-26 (cont’d)


Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:59 pm.

       Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:30 pm.

       Vietnam settlement
            -The President's speech
                  -Timing

       White House staff
            -Haldeman
            -Loyalty
            -Haldeman, Colson, and Patrick J. Buchanan
            -Principles
            -The President's inaugural speech
                  -The President's conversation with Haldeman
            -Conservatives
            -Dwight D. Eisenhower's staff
            -Washington Post

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:59 pm.

       Colson's plans
            -Washington Post, Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:00 pm.

       Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
            -Kissinger, Haldeman
            -Meeting with Nguyen Van Thieu
                  -Thieu's response
                        -October 1972 agreements
                        -1972 election

       Vietnam settlement
            -Possibility of earlier settlement
                  -1973 Inauguration
                                       -41-

              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. Feb-09)

                                                            Conversation No. 404-26 (cont’d)

Press relations
      -Colson's interview with Time
             -Ronald L. Ziegler
             -Jerold L. Schecter
             -The President’s courage
             -Effect of peer groups
             -Schecter
      -Press as the enemy
      -Scali's view
             -Loyalty to United Nations, to the President
             -Compared to Klein
      -Clawson
             -Background
                   -Wife
             -Future
             -Labor report
             -Ziegler

Scali
        -Personality
        -Future

Klein
        -Personality

Laird
        -Personality

1972 campaign [?]

Rogers [?]
     -State department

Elliot L. Richardson

Bureaucracy

Vietnam settlement
     -Controversy
           -Press relations
                                             -42-

                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb-09)

                                                          Conversation No. 404-26 (cont’d)

           -Bombing
                 -Effect
           -Press relations
                 -Concerns
                 -Joseph W. Alsop [?]
                 -Answers
                 -Henry Grewhite [?]
                 -Paul Harvey
                 -The President’s accuracy


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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

                 -Conclusion
                 -George S. McGovern
                 -Democratic Party
                 -Opinion of the President’s policies
                      -US interests

[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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      The President's opponents
           -"Doves"
           -Buchanan
           -Goal of the President's plan
           -Mathias, Saxbe, McGovern, Donald Riegle, Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.,
           Mansfield, J. William Fulbright
           -"Doves"
           -Frank F. Church
           -McGovern's remarks on era of good feelings
           -The President's plan
           -Possible speech
                 -Agnew
                 -Attack on press
           -"Doves"
           -Agnew's role
                 -Effect
                                            -43-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Feb-09)

                                                              Conversation No. 404-26 (cont’d)

             -"Doves"
                  -Expected response to cease-fire, bombing

Colson left at 2:30 pm.