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Start Date: 27-Feb-1973 9:30 AM

End Date: 27-Feb-1973 10:20 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.White House operatorZiegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

415-010.mp3

NARA Description:

On February 27, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:30 am to 10:20 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 415-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 415-10

Date: February 27, 1973
Time: 9:30 am-10:20 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

       Statement [?]
              -North Vietnam [?]
              -Kissinger’s talk with Elliot L. Richardson
                     -Richardson’s reaction
              -Lt. Col. Bui Tin
                                      -8-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                     Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


       -Civilian, military prisoners of war [POWs]

Vietnam cease-fire agreement
      -North Vietnam
              -Civilian POWs
              -Negotiations
              -South Vietnam
                      -Release
      -Scheduled POW release and troop withdrawal
              -List of prisoners
                      -Announcement
      -Delays
              -Transportation
              -Arrangement for a plane
      -Joint Military Commission
              -Lt. Col. Bui Tin
                      -Hanoi
                      -Statement
      -Ellsworth F. Bunker
              -Analysis of military commission
                      -Improved accommodations
                      -Saigon [?]
      -Nguyen Van Thieu
              -President’s announcement
              -Thieu’s visit to the US
              -Civilian and military prisoners
                      -Civilians released in South Vietnam
                      -Status according to cease-fire agreement
      -Announcement
      -North Vietnam’s goals
              -International recognition
      -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR], People’s Republic of China [PRC]
              -Conflict with US
      -President’s statement for press
              -Postponement
              -Ronald L. Ziegler
                      -Statement
              -North Vietnam’s position
                                              -9-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                             Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


                     -Questions
                             -Aid compared with POWs
              -Tenor of statement

The President talked with the White House operator at 9:43 am.

[Conversation No. 415-10A]

[See Conversation No. 43-204]

[End of telephone conversation]

       President’s statement
              -Advisability
              -Impact on North Vietnam
              -Timing
                       -William P. Rogers
                              -Paris
              -North Vietnam’s statements
              -Minesweep
                       -Message to North Vietnam
                              -Escalation
                              -Public compared with private message
                              -Instructions to Rogers
                              -Kissinger
                              -Reaction of North Vietnam
                              -US withdrawals

       North Vietnam’s infiltration
              -South Vietnam
              -Cease-fire agreement
                     -Violations
                     -Rearmament
              -Laos
              -Preparation for offensive
              -US aid
                     -South Vietnam
                     -Kissinger’s viewpoint
                                             -10-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                              Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


                             -Timing
                             -Outcome of offensive [?]

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 9:43 am.

       President’s press conference
              -Postponement
              -POWs
              -Mining [?]
              -Ziegler’s statement
                      -Text

       Private message to North Vietnam
               -Troop withdrawals, minesweep
                      -Possible halt
               -Ziegler’s statement
                      -Timing
               -William H. Sullivan
                      -Kissinger’s cables
                      -Briefing questions

       Ziegler’s press briefing
              -Press relations [?]
              -State Secretary [?]
              -Conference [?]
              -Delay
              -POWs
              -Background information
                      -Release of civilian prisoners in South Vietnam
                      -Cease-fire negotiations
                              -October 1972
                              -Civilian compared with military POWs
                              -US position
                              -South Vietnam delegations

       President’s press conference
              -Impact and timing
              -Possible response
                                             -11-

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                              Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


               -Clark R. Mollenhoff

       Press relations
               -Ziegler’s briefing
                       -Questions
                       -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] II
                       -Memorandums
               -Sullivan, Richardson

Kissinger left at 9:58 am.

       News summary
             -Press attack on POWs
                     -Orchestration
                            -New York Times [?]
                            -News magazines and wire services
                                    -United Press International [UPI]
                            -Ziegler’s view

       Vietnam settlement
             -Possible administration action
                     -Bombing
                             -Effectiveness
                     -Paris talks
                             -Ho Chi Minh
                             -Nguyen Thi Binh
                             -USSR, PRC
                     -POWs
                             -Delay
                             -North Vietnam
                             -US public opinion
                             -Military action
             -Nguyen Van Thieu
                     -Criticism
                     -Robert J. McCloskey
                     -Cease-fire violations
                             -Linkage to POWs, withdrawals
                                     -Compared to US compliance to terms
                                      -12-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                         Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


       -Laos and Cambodia
              -Linkage to POW release
       -Thieu
              -McCloskey’s statement
                     -Cease-fire violations
                     -Ziegler’s position
       -Sample response to press question by Ziegler

Watergate
      -Maurice H. Stans’s lawyers
              -Subpoenas
                     -Journalists
                            -Katherine L. Graham
                            -Carl Bernstein
                            -Robert U. (“Bob”) Woodward
      -Libel case
      -Shield law
              -Problems

Committee to Re-elect the President [CRP]’s libel case
     -Ziegler’s handling of issue
     -Shield law
             -Attorney General
             -Criminal compared to civil actions
             -State compared to federal cases
             -Caldwell case in US Superior Court
                     -Black Panthers
                     -Court testimony
     -John W. Dean, III
             -Research on law

Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Watergate
      -Ziegler’s statements to the press
      -President’s remarks
             -Frederick C. LaRue [?]
      -Mollenhoff
                                       -13-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                      Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


       -Cover up
              -Advantage

Ziegler’s press statement
       -Ziegler’s manner
       -POWs
               -Release on schedule
               -Bui Tin’s statement
                       -Unofficial capacity
               -US position
       -Proposed handling
       -POWs
               -Stories

News summary
      -Negativity
             -POWs
             -Time essay on morality of war

Press relations
        -Two levels
                -White House press corps
                        -Concerns regarding Vietnam
                               -Morality
                        -Martin Z. Agronsky
                -Personalities
                        -Weaknesses
                -Attitude of superior morality

George P. Shultz-John T. Dunlop controversy
      -George Meany
              -Reservations about Phase II and Phase III wage-price action
                     -Inflation
                             -Goal
                             -Wage settlements

Press relations
        -Issue of morality
                                      -14-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                         Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


               -Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy
                       -Moral leadership
               -Vietnam
               -Other issues
       -Attacks on President
       -President’s statement
               -Divisions in country
                       -Vietnam
                       -Other issues
                       -Budget
                       -Role of government
                       -Role of Press
                       -Cessation of debates about war
       -Press conference
               -Purpose

War
       -Newsworthiness
       -Divisiveness

Budget cuts
      -Severity
      -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
              -Howard J. Phillips [?], James Keogh
              -Speech
                     -Political philosophy

Vietnam settlement
      -Rhetoric
              -Escalation
              -Message to North Vietnam
                     -Kissinger
                     -Tone
                     -Mining
                     -US public opinion
              -Statements by Ziegler, Rogers
              -Statement by President
                     -Private
                                         -15-

             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                    Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


                        -Ultimatum
                  -Mining
         -Terms
               -Withdrawal
               -POWs
               -Cease-fire by US
               -Removal of mines
                      -POWs release
         -Message to North Vietnam

Budget
         -Increases
                 -Compared to cuts
         -Harris poll
                 -Liberal bias
                 -Division of opinion
                 -Vietnam
                         -Context of questions
                 -Tax increases
                         -Deficit
                 -Aid to cities, poor

News summaries
      -Two sections
              -Emphasis on columnists compared with wire services, networks
              -Appendix for columnists
                      -Kevin P. Phillips, Hobart Rowen, Carl T. Rowan
      -Need for balance
      -Washington Post, New York Times
      -Separation of news from opinion
              -Television [TV]
      -Editorials
              -Percentage of readers
              -Front, sports, finance, society pages
              -Thomas Grey (“Tom”) Wicker, Richard (“Dick”) Wilson
              -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
      -Newspaper
              -Circulation
                                               -16-

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                          Conversation No. 415-10 (cont’d)


               -Time, Newsweek
                      -Readership

       POWs
               -North Vietnam
               -Possible delay, stonewalling
                      -US reaction
                      -Bombing

       President’s trip to Philadelphia
              -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
              -Atlantic City
                       -Speech
              -POW issue
                       -Speech
                               -Teachers [?]
              -Changes of plans

       President’s schedule
              -Press conference

       Ziegler’s statement
              -Concern over agreement
              -Expectation of compliance

Ziegler left at 10:20 am.