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Start Date: 27-Mar-1973 3:27 PM

End Date: 27-Mar-1973 4:16 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Rogers, William P.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

423-011a.mp3

423-011b.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 27, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:27 pm and 4:16 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 423-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 423-11

Date: March 27, 1973
Time: Unknown between 3:27 pm and 4:16 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with William P. Rogers.

       Weather
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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                       Conversation No. 423-11 (cont’d)


Work preferences
    -Writing
    -Seating
    -Speech writing
           -Preliminary drafts

President's public statement
      -Food prices

National defense
     -Rogers's speech draft
           -Press conference
     -Post-Vietnam era
           -Resistance
                 -Sabotage
           -Dealings with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
     -Rogers’s speech
           -Reduction of forces
                 -President’s accomplishments
     -Reduction of arms
           -Danger of war

Watergate
     -Handling
           -Pressures
     -Ramifications
     -Charges of cover-up
     -White House staff
           - Haldeman, Ehrlichman, John W. Dean, III
           -Need to clear up charges
                  -Possible damage
     -Resolution of problem
     -Campaign intelligence
           -Legitimate activities
           -Illegal activities
                  -Adverse publicity
                  -Donald H. Segretti case
                        -Haldeman, Dwight L. Chapin
     -Public perceptions
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                 Conversation No. 423-11 (cont’d)

-Protection of President
-Liability
      -Obstruction of justice
-Criminal acts
      -Scope
      -Cover-up
-Resolution
-Independent commission
      -Courts
      -Deficiencies
            -Delays
            -Uniqueness
            -Structure and establishment
      -Rogers’s role
      -Ehrlichman
      -Dean
      -Haldeman
      -Richard G. Kleindienst
      -J. Edgar Hoover [?]
-Strategy
      -John J. Sirica
      -Full disclosure of evidence and testimony
      -Special Grand Jury
      -Special prosecutor
      -Waiver of executive prosecutor
-Dean
      -Testimony
            -Guidelines
      -Investigation
            -Release
            -Scope
      -Confidentiality
      -Knowledge of Watergate
-Ervin Committee
      -Attacks on character
      -Availability of raw files from Justice Department
      -Congressional committees
            -Alger Hiss case
            -"5-percenter" case
            -Gen. [first name unknown] Myers
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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                          Conversation No. 423-11 (cont’d)

                      -John [last name unknown]
           -Hiss case
                 -Obstacles
                       -Editorials
                 -Statute of limitations
                 -Perjury charges
                       -Justice Department’s reluctance to prosecute
           -Criminal complaints
                 -Court hearings
                 -Congressional committees
           -Ervin Committee
                 -Motives of Ervin
                 -Cooperation of White House
                 -Delays in hearings
           -Grand jury
                 -Informal hearings
                       -Negotiations
           -Public perceptions
                 -Presidential cover-up
                       -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                              -Attorney General
                 -Respect of Grand Jury
           -Ervin Committee
                 -Secret testimony
           -White House staff
                 -John N. Mitchell
                 -President's talks with Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Charles W. Colson during
election
                      -Mention of Watergate
                -Surprise at break-in
                      -Haldeman
                      -Ehrlichman
           -Break-in
                -Reasons
                      -Mitchell
                      -G. Gordon Liddy
                             -Intelligence
                      -Discussion
                      -Dean's opposition
                      -Implementation
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                Conversation No. 423-11 (cont’d)

      -Instigator
             -Jeb Stuart Magruder
                   -Pressure from White House
      - Mitchell
      -Democratic National Committee [DNC]
      -Mitchell
             -Role in break-in
             -Perjury
-Aftermath
      -Clemency promises
             -Colson
      -Financial help for burglars
      -Cover-up
             -Avoidance
-Grand jury
-Sirica
-Special panel
-Executive session
-Strategy
      -Full disclosure
             -James W. McCord Jr.'s statement
                   -Charges
             -Delay
-McCord
      -Charges
-Executive privilege use
             -Criminal charges
-Kleindienst
      -Knowledge of Watergate
-Sirica
      -Harshness of sentences
             - Liddy
             -Purpose
      -Party affiliation
      -Contact with Rogers
-Ehrlichman
-Vietnam
-Charges
-McCord's statement
-Special prosecutor
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                            Conversation No. 423-11 (cont’d)

                  -Kleindienst's view
                  -Kleindienst's cooperation
                  -Cooperation of White House

      Public relations
            -Ehrlichman's advice
                   -Wounded Knee
                   -Use of troops
                   -President on television [TV]
            -Vietnam settlement
            -Distractions
            -Underestimation of President
            -Vietnam in November 1969
            -1970 Cambodia
            -India-Pakistan War of 1971
            -May 8, 1972 decision in Vietnam

      Economy
           -Food prices
           -George P. Shultz
                -Inflation rates
                       -Great Britain
                       -France
                       -Germany
                       -Japan
                       -Vietnam settlement
                             -President’s conversation with Pierre E. Trudeau


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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                         Conversation No. 423-11 (cont’d)


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      Vietnam War
           -Press coverage
                 -President’s troubles
                 -President’s unreasonableness

      Public relations [PR]
            -Economy
            -Foreign policy
            -Budget
            -President's vetoes
            -Support in Congress
            -Ehrlichman
            -President's public appearances
                   -Use of TV

      Watergate
           -Obsession of Washington, DC
           -Attitude of rest of nation
           -Administration’s stance
                 -Full disclosure
                 -Ronald L. Ziegler
           -Grand jury
                 -Judge
           -Administration's stance
                 -Full disclosure
                       -Sirica
                       -Kleindienst
                       -FBI
                       -White House staff
                 -Use of special prosecutor
           -Sirica
                 -Harshness of sentences
           -Grand jury
                 -Ervin Committee hearings
                       -Sherman Adams
                       -Dean
                       -Criminal charges
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                              Conversation No. 423-11 (cont’d)

             -Compared with Lyndon B. Johnson

       Robert D. (“Bobby”) Baker
            -Sherman Adams
                   -Impact on Dwight D. Eisenhower's health
                   -President’s role in resignation
                         -Spiro T. Agnew
                         -Adams’ behavior
                         -Eisenhower’s reaction
                   -Role in White House
                         -Ehrlichman
                         -Haldeman
                         -Henry A. Kissinger [?]
                         -Dwight L. Chapin
                         -Dean
            -Special panel
                   -President's opposition
                   -Ehrlichman's support
                   -Republicans

Rogers left at 4:16 pm.