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Conversation: 430-023

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Start Date: 25-Apr-1973 5:37 PM

End Date: 25-Apr-1973 6:45 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Petersen, Henry E.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

430-023a.mp3

430-023b.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry E. Petersen met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:37 pm to 6:45 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 430-023 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 430-23

Date: April 25, 1973
Time: 5:37 pm - 6:45 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Henry E. Petersen.

       Watergate       

             -President’s meeting with Richard G. Kleindienst, April 25, 1973 

                    -Daniel Ellsberg break-in       

                            -E. Howard Hunt, Jr.       

             -Jack Anderson
                    -Conversation with US Attorney concerning leaks
                    -Source of information
                            -Prominent Republican
                            -Court reporters
                            -Seymour Glanzer
                    -Grand jury        

             -President’s cooperation        

                              -24-

    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                       Tape Subject Log
                     (rev. November-2011)

                                              Conversation No. 430-23 (cont’d)

-Peter H. Wolf
        -Hunt
        -Boxes of Hunt material
        -[First name unknown] Sheperd [?]
-Frederick C. LaRue
        -William Hundley
                 -John N. Mitchell
        -Frederic M. Vinson, Jr.
                 -Former Chief Justice Frederic M. Vinson 

        -Possible plea         

        -Subornation of perjury          

                 -Jeb Stuart Magruder
        -Watergate activities
        -Mitchell, Paul O’Brien, John W. Dean, III and Robert C. Mardian
-Effects of civil suit
-Ervin Committee
        -Samuel Dash’s request to immunize Hunt
        -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr. and Howard H. Baker, Jr.
-Magruder
        -Need for corroborative information
-Dean
        -Negotiations with US Attorneys          

                 -Immunity         

                 -Telephone calls from Petersen        

        -Conversation with the President, March 21, 1973 

                 -William O. Bittman and O’Brien         

                 -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman         

        -Possible testimony concerning Robert L. Vesco 

                 -Mike Seymour          

                 -Dean’s attempt to quash subpoena         

                         -Mitchell
-Vesco
        -Edward C. Nixon             

                 -Meeting with Harry L. Sears        

                 -Maurice H. Stans         

        -Petersen’s forthcoming conversation with Seymour Glanzer
        -George Smathers
                                           -25-


                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                    Tape Subject Log 

                                  (rev. November-2011)

                                                           Conversation No. 430-23 (cont’d)

                            -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo’s conversation with the President
                     -Murray M. Chotiner
                     -Federal Communications Commission
                            -Freud         

             -John J. (“Jack”) Caulfield 

             -Dean’s request concerning James W. McCord, Jr. 



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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 

[National security]

[Duration: 43s ] 



      EMBASSIES


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      Watergate       

            -Dean’s request          

                   -McCord’s defense            

            -Dean         

                   -Lawyer’s negotiations with Dash            

                   -Time to assemble Ervin Committee 

                            -Effect of hearings on investigation     

            -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III 

                   -Documents destroyed            

                            -Fraudulent State Department cables        

                                    -John F. Kennedy and Ngo Dinh Diem
                            -Dean’s story
                            -Gray’s reasons
                                    -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, Dean
                   -Conversation with Petersen
                             -26-

    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                       Tape Subject Log
                     (rev. November-2011)

                                             Conversation No. 430-23 (cont’d)

-Florida letters concerning Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson and Hubert H.Humphrey
       -Witness, [First name unknown] Daniels
       -Donald H. Segretti’s guilt
-Segretti
-“Canuck Letter”
       -Edmund S. Muskie
-Petersen’s contacts
       -Segretti, Hunt, and McCord
       -Liddy
                -Tom Kennelly
                -Peter L. Maroulis
                -Suggested letter concerning Corrupt Practices Act
                        -Richard G. Kleindienst’s signature        

       -President’s possible action         

       -Mitchell          

                -Responsibility
                -Martha (Beall) Mitchell
                -Indictment
                -Vesco case
                -Petersen’s conversation with Martha Mitchell
-Presidency
-President’s conversation with John J. Wilson and Frank H. Strickler
       -Content
-Presidential responsibility
       -Dwight D. Eisenhower and Sherman Adams 

                -Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Dean, and Mitchell            

                -President and Watergate         

                -President’s knowledge         

                        -Cover-up
                               -Herbert W. Kalmbach and $320,000
                        -President’s other 1972 concerns (such as the Vietnam
                         War)
                -Statement by Charles W. Colson’s aide
-Kleindienst and Petersen
-President’s activity in post-Watergate break-in period
       -Orders for full disclosure in Summer 1972 

                -Ehrlichman’s recollections        

                                -27-

    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. November-2011)

                                                 Conversation No. 430-23 (cont’d)

                      -Kakeui Tanaka meeting          

               -Clark MacGregor              

               -Dean’s concerns            

                      -Mitchell and William H. Sullivan [?]

       -Questions for Dean            

       -Conversation with Dean, March 21, 1973 

               -Dean report
               -Ronald L. Ziegler’s public statements
               -Cover-up
       -Knowledge of funds for defendants
               -Kalmbach and Cuban defendants            

       -Investigation          

       -Conversation with Dean, March 21, 1973 

               -Content           

               -Hunt’s national security activities        

                      -Blackmail            

                                 -Bittman, O’Brien      

                      -Ellsberg          

-Dean’s conversation with Ehrlichman, March 21, 1973
       -Haldeman’s role
       -Bittman
-Dean
       -Immunity issue
       -Ehrlichman, Haldeman, and President
       -Conversation with the President, March 21, 1973
       -Further conversations with President
       -Blackmail
               -President, Kleindienst, and Petersen         

       -Possible conversation with Petersen         

               -Dash         

       -Immunity         

               -Prosecutors’ view             

       -Subornation of perjury           

       -Ervin Committee             

               -Possible testimony              

       -Ehrlichman          

       -Immunity         

                              -28-

    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                       Tape Subject Log
                     (rev. November-2011)

                                              Conversation No. 430-23 (cont’d)

               -Hunt        

       -Possible blackmail of President, Petersen 

               -Petersen’s possible recording
                       -Gray
                       -Use of Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                       -J. Edgar Hoover
-Presidency
       -President’s schedule for forthcoming months
               -Soviet summit, meetings with Willy Brandt, and Georges J. R.
                Pompidou
-Haldeman and Ehrlichman
       -Memorandum from Petersen concerning possible charges against
       -Possible testimony
               -Wilson
               -Prosecutors’ suspicions of Petersen
-Need for speedy indictments
-Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Mitchell, and Frederick C. La Rue
-Nature of case
       -Witnesses’ testimony
-Haldeman and Ehrlichman
       -Possible testimony
       -Separation from Dean
       -Possible departures from staff
       -Memoranda from Wilson and Petersen
       -Possible departures from staff
               -Dean         

               -Effect         

       -Possible action by President        

-Dean
       -Guilt
       -Lawyers and information concerning Ellsberg case
               -Judge W. Matthew Byrne
       -Possible testimony concerning Ellsberg break-in 

               -Ehrlichman         

               -Format           

-Byrne
-Ellsberg case
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                       Tape Subject Log 

                                     (rev. November-2011)

                                                              Conversation No. 430-23 (cont’d)

                      -Petersen’s instructions for prosecutor
                      -Disclosure of Dean as source
                               -Effect on Dean
                      -Conversation with Earl J. Silbert, April 14, 1973
                      -National security information
                               -Hunt and Plumbers
                               -Investigation
                               -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
                               -Legal justifications
               -President’s, Peterson’s resolutions        

                      -Wilson          

                      -Grand jury testimony           

                      -Summary of evidence             

               -Colson          

               -Richard A. Moore            

                      -Conversations with Dean           

               -Ronald L. Ziegler          

               -Peterson’s conversation with Harold H. Titus, Jr. 

               -Presidency and Watergate           

                      -Comparison with Warren G. Harding 

               -Motives of cover-up participants 

               -Dean         

                      -Conversation with the President, March 21, 1973
                               -Report
               -President’s involvement in Watergate

Petersen left at 6:45 pm.