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Start Date: 1-May-1973 5:55 PM

End Date: 1-May-1973 6:24 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Klein, Herbert G.Lewis, Hobart D.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

433-038.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Herbert G. Klein, and Hobart D. Lewis met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:55 pm to 6:24 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 433-038 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 433-38

Date: May 1, 1973
Time: 5:55 pm - 6:24 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Herbert G. Klein.

     Watergate
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                    (rev. November-2012)

                                                              Conversation No. 433-38 (cont’d)

           -Klein’s possible response to questions 

                 -Status of case      

                       -Elliot L. Richardson
                 -John D. Ehrlichman and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                 -John W. Dean, III and John N. Mitchell

     Klein’s term of service

The President talked with Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis between 5:57 pm and 5:58 pm.

[Conversation No. 433-38A]

[Begin telephone conversation]

[See Conversation No. 45-102]

[End telephone conversation]

     Watergate
          -Klein       

                -Role with administration      

                -Knowledge of Watergate         

                      -Compared with President
                      -Charles W. Colson
                -Role in Watergate defense
                      -Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Dean, and Mitchell
          -Mitchell       

                -Role in Watergate        

                -Possible immunity         

                -Richardson       

          -Klein       

          -Role with administration         

          -Possible conversations       

          -Leaks        

                -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] agents outside the offices of
                 Ehrlichman and Haldeman
                      -President’s reaction
                            -Leonard Garment
                      -Ownership of files
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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                         Tape Subject Log 

                                       (rev. November-2012)

                                                              Conversation No. 433-38 (cont’d)


    Cabinet meeting     

         -Anne L. Armstrong       

         -George H. W. Bush 

         -William P. Rogers     

         -Armstrong, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger 

               -Panel

    Watergate
         -Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Mitchell 

              -President’s statement      

              -Klein’s conversation with Colson          


    Klein’s future job at Metromedia 

          -Compensation         

          -John Kluge       

                -Abilities      

                -Success      

          -Company’s plans and finances
                -Ross Baerd [?]
                -Foster and Kleiser Outdoor Advertising
                -Direct mail operation
                -Television [TV] and radio stations
          -California


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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

    Robert H. Finch 

         -Klein’s assistance       

         -Political plans      

                -Senate      

         -Personality      


[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                           Tape Subject Log 

                                         (rev. November-2012)

                                                                Conversation No. 433-38 (cont’d)

    Klein        

            -Possible term in office 


    Watergate      

         -Duration       

         -Ervin Committee        

         -Departures of Ehrlichman and Haldeman 

               -President’s role
         -President’s previous speech, April 30
               -Finch’s conversation with Klein
               -Ted Stevens’s conversation with Klein
         -Charles H. Percy


*****************************************************************
[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

    Watergate      

         -Charles H. Percy      

              -Political future           


[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
*****************************************************************


    Watergate       

         -Charles H. Percy        

               -Special Prosecutor        

                      -Richardson       

         -Edward W. Brooke’s statements 

         -James L. Buckley’s statements 

         -President’s personnel actions       

         -President’s previous speech, April 30 

               -Reactions of Pete Wilson and wife
               -Telephone calls to Klein by unknown persons
         -President’s investigation
         -Test of friendship
         -President’s previous speech, April 30
               -Reaction of Ernie [?] [last name unknown]
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. November-2012)

                                                     Conversation No. 433-38 (cont’d)


Klein
        -Term in office

Watergate
     -President’s actions
     -Klein’s position
     -President’s instructions to Spiro T. Agnew
           -Previous Cabinet meeting
                 -Percy
     -Klein
           -Possible actions
           -Forthcoming press briefing, May 2
                 -Compared with Ronald L. Ziegler
           -Judgment
     -Unknown man’s forthcoming statement
           -Compared with International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case

White House staff
     -Klein’s conversation with Rose Mary Woods
     -Youth
     -Klein’s role
     -Cabinet
     -Stephen B. Bull, David Parker, Leonard Garment and Peter M. Flanigan
           -Possible meeting with Klein
     -Need for leadership
           -Morale
           -Haldeman and Ehrlichman
     -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
     -President’s 1952 Fund Speech
           -Klein’s campaign work

Watergate
     -Cover-up
          -Mitchell

Press relations
      -Klein’s role
      -Forthcoming press briefing
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                          Tape Subject Log 

                                        (rev. November-2012)

                                                               Conversation No. 433-38 (cont’d)

              -President’s speeches
              -Klein
                    -Possible conversation with Theodore H. (“Teddy”) White
                    -Rogers

      Klein        

              -Future       

                    -Wealth       

              -Possible role      

                    -Assistance to Finch       

                          -California      

                    -Press relations     

              -Schedule        

                    -Ziegler      

              -Mood        


      Watergate      

           -President’s actions         


      Marjorie G. Klein

Klein left at an unknown time before 6:24 pm.

Klein entered at an unknown time after 5:58 pm.

      Klein’s call to Haldeman
            -President’s reaction to FBI agents guarding Haldeman’s office
                   -President’s statement to Cabinet     

            -Roy L. Ash and Earl L. Butz 

            -Cabinet       

                   -Feelings toward Haldeman and Ehrlichman

Klein left at 6:24 pm.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                        Tape Subject Log 

                                      (rev. November-2012)