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Start Date: 23-May-1973 1:43 PM

End Date: 23-May-1973 2:15 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ziegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

439-036.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:43 pm to 2:15 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 439-036 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 439-36

Date: May 23, 1973
Time: 1:43 pm - 2:15 pm
Location: Old Executive Office Building

President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

       Ziegler’s press briefing 

              -Length          

              -Thomas Hart’s opinion          


       Refreshment

       Watergate        

             -Ziegler’s previous press briefing 

                    -National security         

             -Hugh Scott         

                    -Statement
                            -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
                            -Domestic intelligence

              -Ziegler’s previous press briefing 

                     -CIA         

                             -President’s knowledge of Watergate involvement
                                     -John W. Dean III
                                     -Timing
                     -Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters’ memorandum of conversation [memcons]
                             -John J. (“Jack”) Caulfield
                             -Scott’s statement
              -Ziegler’s previous press briefing
                     -Henry A. Kissinger
                     -Spiro T. Agnew’s statement
                     -John B. Anderson’s statement
                     -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
                     -President’s knowledge of Daniel Ellsberg break-in
                                        -27-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. August-2011)

                                                         Conversation 439-36 (cont’d)

               -Leonard Garment
       -Press briefing, May 24 

               -Ziegler       

               -Gerald L. Warren          

       -Ziegler’s previous press briefing

President’s schedule
       -Possible press conference         

               -Timing        

               -Location        


Watergate
      -Caulfield’s scheduled testimony before the Senate, May 23
      -Scott’s statement, May 23

Press relations
        -Gerald R. Ford’s statement, May 23
                -Congressional votes
                        -House of Representatives
                                -President’s veto
                        -Senate
        -Presidential leadership        

                -Question to Scott and Ford 

                -President’s possible resignation       

                -Courtney Sheldon [?]          

                        -Liberalism

                -President’s possible resignation       

                        -Discussion by determining body        

        -Ziegler’s press briefing, May 22 

                -Press attitude toward President      

                        -Prisoners of War [POW] Day        

        -George H. W. Bush’s conversation with Martin J. Schram

                -Press attitude toward President      

                        -Hostility        

        -Attitude toward President          

                -Compared with attitude toward the statement 

                -White House response            

                                      -28-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. August-2011)

                                                           Conversation 439-36 (cont’d)

                      -Effectiveness of President’s press conferences
                              -Anger of press        

              -President’s response        

              -White House press corps          

                      -Ziegler’s impression of support        

       -President’s possible press conference 

              -Timing         


Kissinger’s possible press briefing
       -Paris peace talks
       -Ziegler’s conversation with Haig
       -Content
               -National security

Watergate
      -White House response
             -National security
                             -George H. W. Bush’s view
                             -Ziegler’s previous press briefing
             -Ziegler’s previous press briefing        

      -Wiretaps on newsmen            

      -Confidentiality in foreign affairs 

             -United States-Soviet negotiations, Strategic Arms Limitation Talks
              [SALT], Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR] and Vietnam
              War
      -White House response           

             -Domestic intelligence         

      -Scott       

             -Ellsberg case         


Possible declassification
       -Bay of Pigs
       -Ngo Dinh Diem’s death

Press briefing, May 24
       -Length
       -POW Day
                                      -29-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. August-2011)

                                                          Conversation 439-36 (cont’d)


President’s schedule
       -Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s recommendation on Florida
               -Camp David

Watergate
      -White House response
      -Ervin Committee hearings
             -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Ehrlichman
      -Dean        

             -Possible immunity        

             -Conversation with President regarding activities 

                     -Caulfield
      -Clemency         

             -Role of Haldeman and Ehrlichman 

             -Charles W. Colson        

      -White House response        

      -Public mood         


President’s schedule
       -Trip to Iceland

Watergate
      -Ervin Committee        

             -Schedule       

             -Lowell P. Weicker, Jr.     

                   -Appointment
                   -$65,000 in campaign funds
                           -Haldeman

Press relations
        -Briefings

President’s schedule
       -POW Day
       -Meeting with State Whips
               -Blair House
                                               -30-


                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                         Tape Subject Log 

                                         (rev. August-2011)

                                                              Conversation 439-36 (cont’d)

                       -White House
                       -Press coverage

       Haig

Ziegler left at 2:15 pm.