Conversation: 449-012
Prev: 449-011 Next: 449-013Start Date: 21-Sep-1971 12:35 PM
End Date: 21-Sep-1971 1:40 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); [Unknown person(s)]; Kissinger, Henry A.; Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, Manolo;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:28:27
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:35:59
NARA Description:
On September 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:35 pm to 1:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 449-012 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 449-12
Date: September 21, 1971
Time: 12:35 pm - 1:40 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield.
H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 12:36 pm.
The President's schedule
-September 21, 1971
-Exhibition of race cars
-White House south grounds
-Race cars
-Number
-Types
-Race drivers
-Photo opportunity
Butterfield left at 12:37 pm.
The President's schedule
-Race car exhibition
-Location
-Press
-Photograph
Pentagon Papers
-Haldeman's meeting with Henry A. Kissinger, John D. Ehrlichman, and Charles W.
Colson
-Meeting between Ehrlichman and Kissinger
-Colson's absence
-Kissinger
-Understanding of situation
-Ehrlichman's call to Melvin R. Laird
-Haldeman's call to Ehrlichman
-John N. Mitchell
-Kissinger's objections
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Tape Subject Log
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-Ehrlichman’s view
-Release of Pentagon version
-Public interest
-Personal
-Ehrlichman
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 12:36 pm.
[Delivery of voting results note]
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 12:46 pm.
Draft bill
-Senate vote
-Cloture
-Vote count
-Timing
-Administration’s position
-Public relations
-Note
-Final passing of bill
-Cloture
-Procedure
-Votes on bill
-Michael J. Mansfield
Foreign policy
-Effect of release
-Pentagon version of Pentagon Papers
-Vietnam
-Political aspects
-Kissinger's statements on Pentagon Papers
-Vietnam
-Moscow scenario
-Release of Pentagon version
-Effect within Vietnam
-Ehrlichman's previous conversation with Haldeman
-Kissinger
-Release of Pentagon version
Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]
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Tape Subject Log
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-Haldeman's previous conversation
-Meeting
-John B. Connally's presence
-George P. Shultz
-Kissinger's forthcoming talk with Connally
-Connally's view on CIEP organization
-White House office
-Conversation with Ehrlichman and Kissinger
-Responsibility for CIEP
-Kissinger
-Staffing problems
-Knowledge
-White House
-Peter G. Peterson
-Shultz’s view
-Peterson
-Peterson
-Shultz
-Responsibility for CIEP
-Staff
-Camp David meeting
-Work on CIEP
-Kissinger
-Peterson
-CIEP work
-National economic policy
-Shultz
-CIEP members
-Kissinger
-Shultz
-Connally
-Paul W. McCracken
-Swing votes
-Study on issues
-Subcommittees
-Shultz as chairman
-Staff for research
-Peterson
-Connally's view
-Shultz
-Kissinger's view
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Tape Subject Log
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-Shultz
-Loyalty
-"Honest broker position"
Textile negotiations between Japan and the US
-Leak
-Brussels, Belgium
-Peterson
-Date of US decision
-Trading with the Enemy Act
-Release
-Peterson
-Paul A. Volcker
-Location
Henry A. Kissinger entered at 12:46 pm.
Vietnam
-Air raids
-POL [Petroleum, Oil, and Lubricants]
-Effectiveness
-Storage for the Ho Chi Minh Trail
-Weather
-Supplies
-Dong Hoi
-US position
-Reiteration
-Airplanes
-Air Force
Military leadership
-Air Force
-Army
-Gen. C. William Westmoreland
-Air Force
-Gen. John D. Ryan
-Marine Corps
-Lt. Gen. Robert E. Cushman, Jr.
-Position at Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
Military service draft bill
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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-Cloture vote
Kissinger's schedule
-Dates
-Visit
Peterson
-CIEP
-Japan
-Textile negotiations
-Leak
-Possible actions
-Responsibility
-Previous conversation
-Lack of leadership
Japan textile negotiations
-Leak
-Trading with the Enemy Act
-Policy issue
-Japanese reaction
-Nobusuke Kishi
-Visit to the US
-Date
-Negotiations
-Request from Japan
-Information of US actions
-Kissinger's possible actions
-US Ambassador to Japan, Armin H. Meyer
-Compared with D[avid] Kenneth Rush
-Middle East
-Vietnam
-Rush
-Textile negotiations
-Peterson's report
-Kissinger's strategy
-Peterson
-David M. Kennedy
-Negotiations
-Strategy
-Peterson
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-Talk with Kishi
-Discussion period
-Date of announcement
-Simultaneous announcements
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] summit
-Trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Japanese
-Kishi
-Meeting between the President and Takeo Fukuda
-Anchorage, Alaska meeting [With Emperor Hirohito]
-Informing Fukuda of US position on negotiation by William P. Rogers
-Previous conversation between the President and Fukuda
-Japan response
-Time requirement
-US position
-Dateline
-Rogers
-Meeting with Fukuda
-Strategy
-Possible meeting between Kissinger, Peterson, Rogers, Kennedy
-Preparation of plan for negotiations
CIEP
-Kissinger's scheme on staffing
-Shultz
-Peterson
-Previous meeting
-Responsibility for CIEP
-Shultz
-Inclinations
-Free trade
-Taxes
-Peterson
-Chairman of subcommittee
-Shultz
-Staff
-Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Connally
-Peterson
-Removal
-Acceptable recommendations
-Shultz
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-Leak
-Brussels
-Sources
-Volcker
-Peterson
-Effects on textile negotiations
-Textile people [producers]
-Details
-Need for committee
-Members
-Kissinger
-Need for political understanding
-Issues
-State Department negotiators
-Political compared to economic aspects
-Connally
-Economic points
-Shultz
-Economic point
-Domestic political
-Peterson
Other negotiations
-Relations with foreign countries
-Canada
-Surcharge tax
-Strategy
-Rules
-US actions
-General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade [GATT]
-Staff work
-Camp David
-Staff work necessary
-The President's options, role
-Implementing
-Peterson
-Briefings
-Peterson
-Staffing limitations
-Shultz's offer of Office of Management and Budget [OMB] staff
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USSR summit
-Kissinger's conversation with unknown man
-Andrei A. Gromyko
-Forthcoming conversation with the President
-Rogers
-Cabinet
-Summit invitation
-Informing Rogers
-Announcement
-Kissinger's role
-Rogers's Reaction
-Date
-Secrecy
-Compared with PRC announcement
-USSR
-Effect of Announcement
-Public Speculation
-USSR
-PRC
-Alexei N. Kosygin
-Gromyko
-Kosygin
-Visit to United Nations [UN]
-Itinerary
-Canada
-UN
-Meeting with the President
-Speculation on the President's forthcoming trip to Alaska
-PRC trip
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
-[Emperor of Japan] Hirohito
-Value of surprise
-USSR position
-The President's attendance at signing of Accidental War Agreement
-Gromyko
-Soviets
-Announcement of Summit
-Date
Textile negotiations
-Kissinger's role
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
-Japanese negotiations
-Peterson
-Connally
-Waiting Period
-Length
-Kissinger's Meeting with Kishi
-Rogers's meeting with Fukuda
-Date
-Agreement
-Negotiations
-Dates
-Kissinger's schedule
-Return from the PRC
-John N. Mitchell, Harry S. Dent
-Relations with textile people [producers]
-Textile groups
-Kennedy, Peterson
-Commitment
-Time
-Quota bill
CIEP
-Shultz
-Responsibility
-Kissinger's working with Shultz
-Connally
-Economic
-Political
-Shultz
-Initiative
-Staff
-Proposals
-Effect on opponents
-Economic platform
-International Monetary Fund [IMF]
-Meeting in Washington, DC
-Connally
-IMF
-European trip
-Reaction
-Shultz
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
-Peterson
-Reaction
-Camp David
-Connally
-Kissinger
-McCracken
-Committee
-Program
The President's schedule
-Connally
-Meeting
-Time
Plans for working group
-President’s schedule
-Racing group
-Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Connally
-The President's previous conversations with Kissinger
-Shultz
-Working group for CIEP
-Members
-Haldeman's attendance at meetings
-Meetings
-Peterson
-Peterson's memo to the President
-Kissinger's signature
-Organization of new group
Polls
-USSR and PRC
-Colson
-George H. Gallup
-Louis P. Harris
-The President's popularity
-Comparison with Democrat candidates
-Effect on foreign relations
-Trial heats
Military service draft extension legislation
-Senators
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-Debate
-Final vote
USSR
-Soviet public opinion on the President
-Dobrynin
-View of the President
-Change
-Willy Brandt
Kissinger left at 1:08 pm.
Peterson
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 1:08 pm.
Letter from John C. Stennis
-Liaison from White House
-Delivery from the President
-Tom C. Korologos
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 1:40 pm.
US Supreme Court
-Recommendation from Stennis
-James P. Coleman
-Mississippi
-Mitchell
-Votes
-Stennis
-Mitchell
Haldeman left at an unknown time after 1:08 pm.
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Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:08 pm.
Placement of object
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:40 pm.
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An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 1:08 pm.
Margaret Chase Smith
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 1:40 pm.
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Haldeman entered at an unknown time before 1:40 pm.
Haldeman's previous meeting with Mitchell and Bryce N. Harlow
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Agriculture Secretary
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:08 pm.
The President's schedule
Refreshment
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:40 pm.
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
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[Duration: 7m 10s ]
MANOLO SANCHEZ ENTERED AT AN UNKNOWN TIME AFTER 1:08 PM.
SANCHEZ LEFT AT AN UNKNOWN TIME BEFORE 1:40 PM.
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The President’s schedule
-The President's Question and Answer [Q&A] at Detroit Economic Club, September
23, 1971
-Possible meeting with Agnew
J. Edgar Hoover
-Tenure in office
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
-Robert C. Mardian
-Richard G. Kleindienst
-Conversation with the President
-Mitchell
-Ehrlichman
-Leaks
-White House
-Department of Justice
-Network
-Mardian
-White House
Agnew
-National Security Council [NSC] meetings
-Behavior
-Raising negatives
-Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
-Cabinet meetings
-Nixon as Vice President
Cheerleader
-Demonstrations
-Cabinet meetings
-Connally
-Rogers
-Testimonial
-White House staff
-Campaign
-Build-up
-Organization
-Leadership
-Response
-Haldeman's call to Agnew
-Mitchell's call to Agnew
-Political responsibility
-Testimonial event
-White House staff
-Kissinger
-Dent
-Robert J. Dole
-Cabinet
-National chairman [of Republican National Committee]
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-Connally
-Democrat
-Connally
-Support for administration
-Cabinet
-Mitchell
-The President's possible dinner meeting with Agnew
-Situation
-Action
-The President's Q&A at Detroit Economic Club
-Connally
Candidates for Secretary of Agriculture
-Louie B. Nunn
-Harlow’s view
-Congressional approval
-Federal system
-Democrats
-Support of farmers
-Farm issues
-Henry L. Bellmon
-Harlow’s view
-Farmer credibility
-Experience with federal system and Congress
-Mitchell’s view
-Harlow
-Bellmon
-Albert H. Quie
-Farmers
-Administration strategy
-Farm program
-Secretary of Agriculture
-Receptivity to farmers' concerns
-Bellmon
-Compared with Nunn
-Nunn
-Relations with farmers
-Bellmon
-Congressional seat
-Election outcome
-Ed Edmondson
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
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-Democrat candidate
-Dewey F. Bartlett
-Mitchell
-Control
-Special elections
-Support for administration
-Re-election of the President
-Support for the administration
-Harlow and Mitchell
-Outcome of meeting
-Harlow’s view
-Nunn
-Bellmon
-Other candidates
-Publicity
-Harlow
-Possible appointment as Secretary
-Congressional relations
-Haldeman's conversation with Mitchell
-Clark MacGregor
-Background
-Minnesota
-Agriculture
-Analogy to Richard H. Poff
-Present position
-Speechmaking
-Nunn
-Bellmon
-Harlow
-Haldeman's conversation with Mitchell
-Harlow
-Changes in administration
-Nunn
-[Dole?]
-National chairman
-Senator
-Other candidates
-Leslie C. Arends
-Career
-Age
-Congressional relations
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-Background
-Department of Agriculture
-Undersecretary
-J. Philip Campbell
-MacGregor
-Congress
-Possible election outcome
-Republican Congress
-Gerald R. Ford
-Speaker of the House
-Arends
-Majority Leader
Supreme Court appointment
-Harlow's conversation with Emanuel Celler
-House of Representatives Judiciary Committee resolution
-Poff
-Possible endorsement
-Nomination
-Ford
-The President's morning meeting with Carl B. Albert
-Support for Poff
-House
-Circulate letter to House members
-Endorsement of Poff
-Cellar
-Democrats
-Ford's possible conversation with Cellar
-Harlow's possible conversation with Cellar
-Endorsement of American Bar Association [ABA]
-Reflection on Judiciary Committee
-Letter circulation
-Congress
-Republicans
-Civil rights
-Judiciary Committee
-Southern Democrats
-Background
-Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr.
-G. Harrold Carswell
-Poff
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
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[Duration: 5s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
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-Southern Manifesto
-Ku Klux Klan
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
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The President's schedule
-Breakfast meeting
-Call from Connally
Haldeman left at an unknown time before 1:40 pm.
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