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Thank you very much.

Do you still want to do this?

Thank you, reporters.

That's for the... That's for the... Did I say that?

Yeah, you mentioned it.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, sure.

I don't know.

The memo said today.

I thought maybe you were trying to do some kind of thing.

I didn't tell you.

No, not on Earth.

They said it would be an Irish thing.

I don't want to do it the day before.

I just want to consider it.

The police, incidentally, we've now lost again.

He's come down with a severe infection or something, and he's not going to be here.

It's a nice project.

What do we have?

We have...

The Irish Castle movement, and my inclination is just to leave it at that.

You've got that, plus Mr. Nixon's birthday and so on.

You just make it a fun evening of those things.

Yeah, that's right.

And just make it strictly Irish.

It's not hard to make it.

We can add other Irish stuff.

We've got one of the Irish Rovers that are a great young team group here.

Or the London Sisters, or...

Yeah, and they seem, they seem, uh, it's popular.

They're, they're great.

They're, uh, I'd like to have them.

They're with the younger generation.

You ought to have both Batman and Iron Man since he's coming.

They're U.S. Irish, so if I'm in the U.S. Irish, it's a good idea.

Why don't you have them?

If we can get them, maybe that's the way off.

We got it out of press, so we've got to get that stuff next year.

We're getting pretty close.

That's got to be down where we are.

But we've still got a huge batch of files.

But we're having to be heated.

We're not going to do it.

So we're on a record, I think, of 13.

Well, I don't know.

Guess what I'm doing.

The problem is with this weather, we're giving too damn many medals.

They're giving too many.

What's the matter with the views?

Well, I mean, what's the matter with that?

Why don't we just get them all?

Maybe we just, can we get more of them in?

I think this, well, I think this, this must be the seventh today.

I'm not going to say anything.

I don't want any coverage at all.

There isn't.

Because we've got a lot of other things going on.

That's right.

It's, it's seven that way.

I'll be there to get the coverage.

Oh, sure, sure.

But let me know the rest of it.

It doesn't matter what you said.

Go ahead and talk to the whole church for a while.

Thank you very much.

I'll do the others.

We've already had a bunch of them.

I should, uh, I should, uh, I should, uh, he's done a bunch of them.

There's no reason why not.

It's good.

I think he should have a few of you.

Sure.

And he has.

I mean, he's been a whole person.

He's done some.

I think that's a good way to keep it.

We shouldn't get it if you don't want it.

Well, I sure got my share.

I sure have.

I wanted to, but at least Johnson wouldn't do them.

If he didn't do them, then he just sacked them up and he had, he wouldn't do them.

That's right.

But he didn't do those very, very, you know, I didn't do them.

I did them.

This war, proportionately, you seem to be dissing a lot like the Carlin.

Well, what about the individual breakers in this war?

And it's so well publicized.

God is this, what?

Oh, that's good.

Should I do that?

Yep.

The way, didn't we do it last year?

We shipped some, but it's, I tell you, the simple way to do it is run it through this open office.

Nobody can say you didn't do it.

What is it, Johnny?

What is it?

Yes.

I think he's been having a problem.

Problem?

I think so.

He was having some real trouble.

I'm sorry.

I made you wrong because I get some of those guys make stuff up.

I'm pretty sure he was having trouble and he's gotten straight down on his wife.

He's got a really nice wife.

I remember we went to a party once.

Yes, sir.

Get that down on film.

We've got a minute.

Leave them, and then we can go.

They'll all be presented tomorrow morning.

It's a good point to make.

Oh, thank you.

Yes, sir.

We can refer to later on.

Well, we have manpower set for Thursday and urban set for Friday.

But I think you could refer to manpower this week and urban this week.

Friday, sir.

And rural.

What is the, what, what, what first do we want to do about this press conference thing?

We've got to, we've got to start the networks today.

My brother announced tomorrow.

I'd like to work with the networks today and get the time set and then announce it tomorrow.

All right.

That gives us enough bill time on it.

They don't start the promotions before that, and I think we've got it all.

It's not football a lot of the time unless there's some big deal, and it ought to be 9 o'clock.

Right, right.

I think that's what we ought to go to the networks with that.

Well, Mark Good and I are looking into it.

Half an hour?

Half an hour.

Yes, sir.

We've had a couple of wires and we're going to make it this way because many have requested that we have a focus on the President's decree.

We want on foreign policies because that seems to be the usual thing.

You've got an element for me on this.

I already covered that.

Did I?

Yeah.

And I didn't run on that.

Yeah.

And therefore, we will follow this.

But you'll come back to office a little later and say that you have had requests for single subject press conferences.

The president feels that would be too limiting and doesn't think we should do that.

I can cover this in a minute.

Yeah.

All right, fine.

It's all in the room.

That's too limiting.

We do think we are, that we can have more involvement in your alliance.

Well, that means it's there.

I mean, if you're willing to try to drive it, if you are willing to get off, it doesn't really cost a dime.

Right, right.

That press, upper press people have suggested that we want to manage security as we've done this.

That's not a single subject.

I think that's true of it.

But I think people with the report policy, you know, I think it's about right.

Particularly because of the current interstate history, they were going to be able to follow the 190 policy.

You know, I agree.

They're reasonable.

They're quite, they're quite simple.

They're quite simple.

They're not quite simple.

There we go.

Okay.

Consider it used before that.

Get that office out there.

I call him in.

Well, there's a good deal of tension on the Middle East, which I'm not going to address.

The LEA message will be up there.

A little bit on textiles.

That's primarily in the Middle East, and that will continue to build up until, of course, the ceasefire period.

And I still have to get to my date at the end of the season.

Yes, sir.

I've got to get together with Henry and so forth.

All right.

Probably not a good idea to try to get in crowds.

Yes, sir, in Rochester.

Yes, I do.

I think that we can get a good...

I think what happens, Bob, is that when you don't, as much as we try to be honest and so forth about it, they don't, they don't ever, they always assume that you do, don't they?

Um, they think we did not.

It's to the point that it was an unannounced motor kicker, that sort of thing.

But it's still, there's nobody that can tell me.

You've got to, looking at it squarely, you've got to, you've got to...

say that the thing people will get is that pool reception kind of thing or something like that by law demonstrators.

They always say by the demonstrators.

They haven't said Des Moines gave you a pool reception.

They said the people were available back then.

The point I made to Bob this morning, only in one place

Was there any reference that Gil had that one hardhat guy who was in your new summary this morning?

That was the only place that there was any reference at all between a hardhat and Laos.

A building.

Of a hardhead.

I can't believe that.

Did you get that in Colson?

Colson's checking it out.

Yeah, Colson in the hardhead's ain't gonna like that.

Well, that's good.

I mean, we need to play that back.

Because at Colson, check out here to see what this was.

It was good.

It was there.

It was at the Building Trades Council in Frontier.

Good morning.

And my friend and our guys were very...

disturbed about it and they were working trying to turn it off, as was Rosson while he was out there.

Rosson had a good name out there, but didn't get any.

Well, you know, he had it all up.

In any picture there, you can't find more than about 100 or 200 hardtacks.

They were outside.

They were talking about having 1,500 hardtacks.

Really?

Yeah.

Well, my whole group, there was probably a thousand total, even the people.

They were 200,000.

The hard hats, I would say the hard hats maxed.

Very few of the NFOs.

About the different farmer types, the farmer names, the script, the NFOs.

And then there were 800 or 900 students and just rallying kind of people.

Where in the schools did you get that rundown on where they came from?

STS was great and well-organized.

Warren pushed this all the way through the press plane.

And the press said they were well-organized.

You know, we talked about the Marshalls.

I think it's a good line.

At least an attempt at a balance piece.

He referred to the friendly crowds on the street.

Cut to them.

The main thing, Bob, is to try to get Rochester to get out of the crowd.

And try to put it through there someplace.

And send another defense man up there.

Bob, we're doing that.

What we're going to do, if you ever have a walker, a walker is the best thing to do in the morning.

Yeah.

Around the night, sir.

Oh, he runs the defense.

Oh, I see.

What we will do in Rochester is do everything in one place so that we don't move around town.

Just the first week.

We may have only one movement and have that come in.

We'll do that at noon time so we get the people out.

We'll announce the route.

Work to build a crowd without any crowd building type stuff.

There's no science.

There's no signs or fans or photo trunks or anything like that.

We just have a crowd be there, just a nice, smiley, cheering people.

And you get out of that one and we can stop at a corner.

And have the press buses fairly up so that they see it.

Yeah, make sure they see it.

One thing you can do is to put Jason in a leaked car, so he will get the phone back and say there is a good crowd at the next thing, but be sure he knows how to pay it.

He hasn't so died to Taylor, really, at all.

This thing on those is to go by intuition to slow his car and then let you call him.

Because it's almost, you almost have to.

That's right.

I didn't know.

He didn't know.

He didn't say, you know, hang, stop at this end, we've got a better one at the next corner.

He said, well, the crowd suck, it's pure baloney.

I think this, we want to realize, Bob, you can go out there and speak to the Iowa legislature and make some rather important statements there and make some important statements in the news briefing, which I did, you know.

It was a hell of a good picture in that legislature, carrying the clothes.

of your thing, unless you're starting from the overwinding end of the war, and they carried you right through to the end, and great, you know, the shaking hands would be a lot of cheering, and it came through.

That was all they carried you to speak, but they carried you to the finale.

And CBS carried the part of you going into the hotel.

Yeah.

It's a good little segment there, and CBS used that in the Capitol bombing thing, where you were talking about, it's not going to work.

No, there are two places.

Overall, the coverage was fair.

Knott wrote a good story in the New York Times talking about the Hearns report.

Pulled it in.

Oberdorfer was off the mark and Bill Gill was off the mark.

Well, he basically is the cool receptionist.

I'm not too heavy on that, but there was a touch that they had on him that's typical of both.

Bob Boyd of Knight wrote a good straight story, and the Wires wrote a good straight story, and Kepler did a good story.

The radio reports used a lot of the actuality of you speaking.

See, that's really the way you can control a lot of that.

On the two occasions you did refer him to that.

They have a basis for making that point that it is basically true.

Yeah, I don't think you could call it a show.

You had an organized demonstration, which was obviously anti.

But all the people who were there on the court were very friendly, cheerful.

Well, one thing I would have got to the gentleman on the screen, he got a little, if you could get me that report from Iowa.

Yeah, that's very important.

I'm having to check not just Iowa, but a little bit of Missouri and Illinois, because we were covering that region.

My guess is I have a feeling there's a hell of a lot of people in Iowa who are outraged by demonstrators.

They don't like them.

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All right, John, how are you?

We're good.

Yes, we're getting ready for you.

to give away another half a billion dollars?

You know, what's their chief?

I think it is less than 12,000 grams of wood.

I'll say 12,000 grams.

Well, you're in charge of the sharing.

Well, with our concern, so you're in charge of that.

We'll just break it down.

I'll break it down.

So you're in charge of the sharing program.

Special revenue sharing.

What was the next two?

The manpower.

The manpower training.

And then urban.

So you call it manpower?

Manpower, yes, sir.

The manpower.

Special revenue sharing on manpower.

And the other is on urban development, yes, sir.

Urban development.

I'll leave it.

Well, where is none of the birdies?

We're really getting ahead of the fire that's happening in this community.

We're getting pushed to the curb with Congress and everybody else.

And if we continue to do it, we're going to stay with it as long as we can on a reciprocal basis.

And we're just taking the hard line.

This is the prerogative of the President.

I don't know if there's anything else to say about the case coming up.

We've had a number of cases.

One is in Boston, the lower court.

Not in the national security field, but in this internal security field, which, of course, relates to the Panthers and the others, and that type of coverage.

So, we'll be in the Supreme Court.

Yes, of course, we will.

Yes, what do you think?

I think that the people at the campus first, you know, in Congress, should be serious about this.

This is a, I, uh, I call on you.

That's all that I want to call on, like everybody else as well.

I mean, I got to be very confident in it.

I thought it would be like Mansfield and Scott and Dijon and Karloff and the rest of them.

How about the idea, your idea, it's not a generic question, I understand, but you should say we discussed it.

I feel strongly about operating the Capitol Police.

You might as well say so.

They're a bunch of big, cheap, fuzzy, cheap kids.

And, you know, like we used to have here, except workers, they're all political people, you know.

You know, and you can walk in that cap with John any time, any time of the day.

I've been up there once, just walking, walking, nobody sees you.

Just a weak bit of security like we have around here.

Completely.

Well, at least it removes that, doesn't it?

Don't you agree?

No question about it.

And how did Carl and the others react to your idea?

They're all pretty well shaken up, Mr. President.

And they're willing to accept your proposal?

They're willing to accept our assistance.

operating their security forces because it has to be done they recognize that they recognize that this uh matter is discussed up there they're all around

So they had actually closed it off because it was Sunday night.

And they had been out of there 10 or 11 o'clock.

And of course, one of the security guards had just walked by that area.

He was less than 100 feet away.

He did knock him out?

Yes, he got out of the glass and I don't remember what he did with him.

about how bad they are.

They had the 33 minute warning.

They went into the laboratory and examined it and didn't find a bomb.

There's only so many places you can put a bomb in a laboratory, but they went in there close to heaven missing, so they're not very confident.

Well, if you were to say something else,

just as we had here at the White House for the, and as the Congress approved, the Congress approved funds for the White House and for the Medicare and the Second Protection Services.

The Congress now should act on its own security, but then I emphasize, you know, the idea that we're still going to have an open White House and an open Congress, and that's a good idea.

That's a good idea.

because you don't want to be all scared and frightened about, you know, they make these threats about bombs, or they go out around this place and they make bombs on us out there.

On this other thing, is there anything, I was just thinking that there's any other way you can take this particular program, you know, that this will be a good way, is there anything else we can do?

Is there anything else we can do to throw off the day or something?

Washington is our best thing, isn't it?

What happened here?

And you, for example, the problem with that, Mr. President, I'm afraid if we get into that area, we're going to lose the trust of the social revolutionaries.

By the way, Ms. Elliott is training some of these capitalists.

Good.

Is that a question for everyone to share?

It already is.

I understand the block grant, but I see one of the major differences here that it does not require

or even an actor or something.

Is that true?

That is correct.

And I think if you could emphasize that strongly, that you should say that law enforcement is an area, you might say that they hold me back.

All other areas is an area that we must do the job without regard to any farming on the ranch.

In other words, we've got to go where the danger is to deal with the danger.

That is correct.

The whole program is based on the fact that the state of the house has been strapped with these matching funds in this program.

You all set?

Yes, sir.

Anytime you're waiting.

One thing we're interested in talking about is about the proposal to be operated by the police.

So if that derives, that's why he doesn't mind.

You know, focus on the AP.

Right there.

They all agree that there has to be an upgrade.

And we get a lot of assistance from the executive branch.

the Department of Justice and the GSA, which has a lot of expertise, and the FBI.

And out of what monitor groups can we, with accuracy, could we say that the LEA wants eight months of EU service?

Yes, well, they're used in different places.

Their training programs are available.

I think you might say, for example, one of the uses of the LEA arms could be for the thing that the President and you have discussed with the Speaker and others, the upgrading of the Capitol Police Force.

Would that work?

Well, it'll work, it'll fly, because it's true we're now in training some of the L.A.A.

programs to catch police, but as I mentioned again, to do that, your headline is L.A.A.

is going to train capital police to pollute the Brevin Sherry.

Well, I don't know that Brevin Sherry is going to fly much anyway, probably not.

You know what I mean?

Once you find a question, so... Yeah.

I don't find questions, but I see that it's done.

Yeah.

You were going to come to this.

You know, in the past we've tried to help them out there with some of these problems.

Speaker, Senator Coffey, the Attorney General, he's going out to present our first special revenue sharing of the ADA.

That's a $500 million grant without matching states.

In that program, Carl, I think the Attorney General said he's been in talk with the United States.

The funds, of course, are available for training police and

and, you know, security people in general.

One thing that I have felt strongly about for a number of years, and I read it to you as Speaker, I'll never despite you pull it on, if you know it, everybody's been sensitive about the Capitol Police and they're all, you know, political appointees and this and that.

But I really think that now that, of course, we can still have anybody do that job.

That you, and you're the one who takes the leadership, it'll never come to the Senate side.

You and Jared, you're gonna get in there and take it.

What do you think?

Now, and incidentally, I tell you what we did here, just for the refresh of memory for a moment.

When we came here at the White House, we found that the White House police were some

Well, frankly, the same kind of well-invention, but rather decrepit, broken down, unbearing people.

So what we did was, and incidentally, the Congress appropriated the money for it.

We set up the Executive Protection Service.

And you have noted that you've come to these state functions.

You spy on police.

You're younger.

They're well-bearing.

They're the best in the country.

And also, we provide the same kind of police, Carl, for the embassies.

Now, then, if the embassies, if the Congress provides several hundreds, several millions of dollars to protect the embassies out on Massachusetts Avenue, the Congress ought to provide the facilities to protect itself and the millions of tourists that come to the Congress.

That's what I mean.

Bob.

Well, exactly.

The point is, people have got to be able to come to the Congress to redress grievances, and every individual who has a cause, whatever money it is, has got to be allowed.

You know, when I was in Des Moines, I made the point that we couldn't allow this kind of incident to happen.

to destroy the principle of an open White House and an open Capitol.

But on the other hand, a little, just a little bit more.

You don't have to be repressive, but each, frankly, a well-paying police force will scare off 95% of these people.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you got here now.

If you go to the Executive Protection Service and see what we've done here, you might have one of your people come and talk to our people here or talk to the attorney general's people about it.

And what we've done here and how they've done it, you might want to model it after that.

And the main thing, as you know, the speaker from Carmen was very violent against him.

But I think you ought to really take the leadership and just sell him out to him.

Yeah.

And we'll help any way we can.

Yeah.

Or it could happen.

He said, a simple thing is to say the guy has got to be able to go to school for six months.

That's all.

Good.

Well, we'll know.

After these three things completed, after he's completed, he said, we've got to get out of the captain's right away.

Because, you know, I wouldn't blame him too much.

You know, the other day,

and he called me.