Conversation: 461-010
Prev: 461-009 Next: 461-011Start Date: 2-Mar-1971 12:07 PM
End Date: 2-Mar-1971 12:44 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Menemencioglu, Targut; Mosbacher, Emil ("Bus"), Jr.; Van Hollen, Christopher; Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; Burger, Warren E.; Dean, John W., III; Mitchell, John N.; Wright, Edward L.; Bull, Stephen B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:20:45
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:59:03
NARA Description:
On March 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Targut Menemencioglu, Emil ("Bus") Mosbacher, Jr., Christopher Van Hollen, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Warren E. Burger, John W. Dean, III, John N. Mitchell, Edward L. Wright, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:07 pm to 12:44 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 461-010 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 461-10
Date: March 2, 1971
Time: 12:07 pm - 12:44 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Targut Menemencioglu, Emil (“Bus”) Mosbacher, Jr., Christopher Van
Hollen, and General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.; members of the press were present at the beginning
of the meeting
Greetings
Photograph arrangements
Menemencioglu’s travels
-Pakistan
-Iran
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[Unintelligible]
Pakistan
-Situation
-West and East Pakistan
-Military
-Sheik Mujibar Rahman
-Policies Conv. No. 461-9 (cont.)
-Nationalization
-East Pakistan
-Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
-Policies
-Nusrat Ispahani Bhutto
-President’s previous visit to Pakistan
-Future
-Socialism
-Menemencioglu’s view
-East Pakistan
-Rahman
-Popular support
-Policies
-East Pakistan compared to West Pakistan
-Compared to Turkey
-Potential conflict
-East Pakistan
-Autonomy
-East Pakistan
-Trade
-India
-Stone, silk, coal
-India
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Forthcoming Pakistani election
-India
-People
-Differences between East and West Pakistan
-Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
-Menemencioglu’s previous visit to India [?]
-Hijacking, international law
-Forthcoming Pakistani election
-Meeting with an ambassador
-United States’ policy
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-Menemencioglu’s conversations with Pakistanis
-US policies
-Pakistani policies
-Assurances
-Military equipment
-Spare parts
-Military situation
-US position Conv. No. 461-10 (cont.)
-Administration efforts
-Congress
-President’s view
-Leaders
-Khan
-Possible US response
-Constitutional problem
-Z. A. Bhutto
-Differences from India and Turkey
-Khan
-Politicians
-Forthcoming Pakistani election
-Leftists
-Students
-Compared with US
-Exchange of state visits
Turkey
-Possible Presidential visit
-President’s 1953 and 1956 visits
-President’s view of Turkey
-People
-Political situation
-Charles W. Colson
-Intellectuals
-Compared with US
Intellectuals
-Theory of revolution
-Genesis
-Marxists
-Methods
-Latin America
-Theory of revolution, change
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Central Treaty Organization [CENTO]
-Purpose
-US position
-Importance of cooperation
-Menemencioglu’s view
-Cooperation
-Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi Conv. No. 461-10 (cont.)
-Menemencioglu’s previous visit
-Great Britain
-Withdrawal from Near East
-Strategic importance
-Turkey
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Turkey, Iran, Pakistan
-Pakistan
-President’s position
-US support
-Purpose
-President’s position
-Expectations in US
India, Pakistan
-US public view
-New York Times
-President’s policy
-Pakistan
-Menemencioglu’s forthcoming conversation with Khan
-US support
-President’s view
President’s schedule
-Warren E. Burger
-Law Day proclamation
Turkey
-People
-Compared to Europeans
Burger entered at 12:30 pm
Introductions
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Law Day proclamation
Menemencioglu
-Home town
-Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon’s visit
Gifts Conv. No. 461-10 (cont.)
Farewells
Menemencioglu, Mosbacher, Van Hollen, and Haig left at 12:32 pm; John W. Dean, III entered
at 12:32 pm
John N. Mitchell and Edward L. Wright
-Location
Dean left at 12:32 pm
[Forename unknown] Kennedy
Judicial terms
A vacation
-Florida
1967, 1968, and 1969 Judicial Terms
-Federal, state courts
Williamsburg
-President’s schedule
-Mitchell’s schedule
National Courts Center
-Proposal
-Location
-Purpose
-Criminal cases
-State cases compared to federal cases
-A case in California
-Case in Connecticut
-Case length
-Costs
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-Compared to Great Britain
-President’s view
Supreme Court
-Burger’s efforts
-Relations among Justices
-Hugo L. Black, John M. Harlan
-Health Conv. No. 461-10 (cont.)
-Burger’s conversation with Mitchell and Herbert Brownell
President’s schedule
-Polls
Supreme Court
-Burger’s efforts
-President’s view
Mitchell, Wright, and Dean entered at 12:37 pm
Greetings
President’s schedule
-Meeting with Menemencioglu
Judicial matters
-Television
-Wright’s appearance
Williamsburg
-Wright’s schedule
American Bar Association meeting
-President’s possible appearance
-London
-Dates
-Invitation to President
-New York
-Burger’s State of the Judiciary address
-Possible appearance by the President
-London
-Dates
Photographs for Law Day
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Members of the press entered at an unknown time after 12:37 pm
[Unintelligible]
Members of the press left at an unknown time before 12:43 pm
Presidential gifts Conv. No. 461-10 (cont.)
An unknown man [Stephen B. Bull?] entered at 12:43 pm
Burger, Mitchell, Wright, and Dean left at 12:43 pm
Ralph E. Ulmer
-Federal job
-Purpose of visit to the President
The unknown man [Bull?] left at an unknown time before 12:44 pm