Conversation: 462-015
Prev: 462-014 Next: 462-016Start Date: 5-Mar-1971 1:17 PM
End Date: 5-Mar-1971 2:20 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Mulcahy, John A. ("Jack"); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); [Unknown person(s)]; Bull, Stephen B.; Connally, John B.; Sanchez, Manolo; Carruthers, William H.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 05:07:54
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 06:10:50
NARA Description:
On March 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John A. ("Jack") Mulcahy, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Stephen B. Bull, John B. Connally, Manolo Sanchez, and William H. Carruthers met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:17 pm to 2:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 462-015 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 462-15
Date: March 5, 1971
Time: 1:17 pm - 2:20 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John A. (“Jack”) Mulcahy and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
Greetings
Evening at the White House, March 16, 1971
-Mulcahy’s arrival
-Mulcahy family
-Schedule
-Daughter
-Kevin Mulcahy
A story about a cemetery
-Henry C. Cashen, II
-Mulcahy
Mulcahy’s tour of duty in Ireland
Mulcahy’s briefing, March 5, 1971
-Peter M. Flanigan [?]
Mulcahy’s previous meeting with Jerry Brown [?]
-A list on union activities
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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-Transmittal to President
Plans for an addition to Afrin [?] Castle
-William P. Rogers’ previous visit
-Location
Possible trip by President to Ireland
Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
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Jack McCarthy
-Position
-Coverage of St. Patrick’s Day parade
-Trip from Ireland
-Evening at the White House, March 16, 1971
-Invitation
-Mr. and Mrs. McCarthy’s attendance
-Arthur F. and Helen (Bernstein) Burns’ attendance
-Support for the President
Presidential gifts
-Golf balls, cuff links, and tie clasps for Mulcahy and McCarthy
Mulcahy’s schedule
Mulcahy left at 1:23 pm
Mulcahy
President’s schedule
-Camp David
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Tape Subject Log
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-Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
-Departure time
-Nelson A. Rockefeller meeting and briefing
-Time
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 1:23 pm
Wrong buzzer Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 1:25 pm
Mulcahy
-Compared with Robert H. Abplanalp
-Background
A telegram from Charlton Heston
-Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope’s previous conversations with the President
-Receipt
-Haldeman’s instructions to Bruce A. Kehrli
-Kehrli’s effort to locate Heston
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:23 pm
President’s schedule
-John B. Connally
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:25 pm
Telegram from Heston
-A call from Kehrli
-Hope
-White House efforts
-Content of telegram
-Pornography
Connally entered at 1:25 pm
Connally’s press briefing
-Ronald L. Ziegler’s response
Connally’s schedule
-Work at Treasury Department
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Tape Subject Log
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-Social schedule
-Purpose
-Cyrus R. (“C. R.”) Smith, Robert S. Strauss, and Henry H. (“Joe”) Fowler
dinner at the Metropolitan Club
-Andre Meyer [?], Lewellyn A. Jennings, Frank Stanton, Clark M.
Clifford, Hubert H. Humphrey, John D. Harper
-Thomas C. (“Del”) Barger, Gustave L. Levy, Joseph A. Thomas
-Political orientation Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
-Purpose
-Work at Treasury Department
-National security work
-The President’s view
-Purposes
US foreign policy
-Middle East
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-World War II
-”Operation Overlord”
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Omaha Beach
-Vietnam
-US military forces
-General Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.
-Connally’s possible public comments
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-President’s possible actions
-President’s March 4, 1971 press conference
-Outcome of war
-Possible Connally conversations
-Possible US military actions
-Reasons
-Prisoners of War [POWs]
-Vietnamese elections Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
-US strategy
-Critics
-Polls
-Laos (Lam Son)
-President’s position
-US strategy
-Outcome
-President’s advisors
-Connally’s role
-Kissinger
-Rogers
Economic policy
-Connally’s role
-Charls E. Walker’s role
-Connally’s work at Treasury Department
-Paul W. McCracken
-Burns
-Knowledge
-Personnel at Treasury Department
-Walker
-Paul A. Volcker
-Walker
-James E. Smith
-Staff
-Need for additional staff
-Frederic V. Malek’s role
Economic policy
-Statements to “New York crowd”
-Confidence
-Compared to foreign policy statements
-Stock market
-Trend
-Interest rates
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Connally’s statements to Burns
-President’s response
-Banker’s response
-Burns
-George P. Shultz’s role
-Connally’s role
-The President’s handling
-Quadriad meetings Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
-Leaks to press
-Relations with Congress
-Humphrey
-Federal Reserve Board
-President
-Connally
-Quadriad meeting, March 5, 1971
-Bonds
-Interest rates
-Burn’s forthcoming Congressional testimony
-Response
-Effect on banks
-Tax payments
-Disposition
-Connally’s view
-Time deposits
-Response
-Interest rates
-Burns
-Connally
-Banks
-Long-term
-Connally’s finances as an example
-Ranch
-Loan
-Interest rate
-Discussions with bankers
-Decreases in interest rates
-Loans
-Banks
-Money supply
-Interest rates
-Administration policy
-Short-term
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Prime rate
-Connally’s discussion with Jake Jacobson
-Lyndon B. Johnson administration work
-Jacobson’s bank
-Loans
-Number
-Rates
-President’s position Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
-Administration policy
-Rates
-Connally’s check of other banks
-Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo’s bank
-Average citizen
-Trends in economy
-Unemployment figures
-Stock market levels
-Increases
-Confidence
-Burns’ view
-Other economists’ views
-Shultz
-McCracken
-Connally’s view
-Rate of economic growth
-Unemployment decrease
-President’s budget
-Corporate taxes and profits
-Unemployment
-Federal revenue
-Comments to press
-Press view
Connally’s schedule
-New York trip
-Transportation
-Rockefeller
-Albany, New York City
-John T. Logan
Connally left at 1:50 pm
Connally
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Future
-Work at Treasury Department
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:50 pm
Refreshment order
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:05 pm Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
Burns
-Quadriad meeting, March 5, 1971
-President’s statements
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 1:50 pm
Sanchez’s schedule
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:05 pm
President’s schedule
-Cancellation of Rochester trip
-Possible problems
-J. Edgar Hoover
President’s March 4, 1971 press conference
-Charles W. Colson
-Calls
-Senate
-Possible public response
-Cambodia issue
-Press
-Ziegler
-Washington Post, New York Times
-President’s response
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-President’s response to a question
-Tone
-Content
-Coverage
Vietnam
-News coverage
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Public opinion
-Effect
-Editorials
-Tchepone battle
-Coverage
-Possible outcome
-Kissinger
-Troops Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
-National Security Council [NSC] meeting, March 5, 1971
-US military action
-The President’s instructions
-Bombing
-Reasons
President’s press conferences
-Preparation
-Results
-Importance
-Possible office press conferences
-William H. Carruthers
-Meeting with President
[The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 1:50 pm and 2:05
pm]
[Conversation No. 462-15A]
President’s schedule
-Carruthers
[End of telephone conversation]
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 1:50 pm
President’s schedule
-Carruthers
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:05 pm
[Unintelligible]
An unknown man
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
Polls
-An analysis
-Vietnam War
-George H. Gallup poll
-Questions
-Laos (Lam Son)
-Compared with White House poll and another
Conv.
pollNo. 462-15 (cont.)
-Results
-Compared with previous Opinion Research Corporation [ORC] poll
-Chilton, ORC
-Compared with previous polls
-Chilton
Carruthers entered at 2:05 pm
President’s future press conferences
-Oval Office
-Camera coverage
-Carruthers’ view
-Seating options
-Camera locations
-President’s and press positions
-Camera positioning
-President’s and press positions
-Briefing room
-Oval Office
-President’s view
-Lighting
-Types of cameras
-President’s and press positions
-Camera positions
-History
-Franklin D. Roosevelt
-Camera positioning
-Coverage
-Lighting
-Blue Room
-Lighting
-Briefing room
-Blue Room
-Radio simulcast
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Old Executive Office Building [EOB] office
-Radio coverage
-Capacity
-Radio coverage
-Locations
-Radio, film considerations
-Pool coverage
-Types of cameras Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)
-Oval Office
-Atmosphere
-Photo coverage
-Atmosphere
-Photo coverage
-Lighting
-Set-up time
-Lead-time
-Scenario
-Costs
-Photo coverage
President’s schedule
-Rockefeller meeting
-Location
President’s future press conferences
-Carruthers’ work
-Make-up
-Importance
-President’s preparation
-Importance
-Time needed
-Importance
President’s March 4, 1971 press conference
-Carruthers’ response
-Ziegler
-Press response
-Compared to the Vice President’s comments
-President’s preparation
-President’s statement to audience
-Effect
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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President’s schedule
-Rockefeller
Carruthers’ schedule
Haldeman and Carruthers left at 2:20 pm
Conv. No. 462-15 (cont.)