Conversation: 465-008
Prev:  465-007 Next: 465-009Start Date: 10-Mar-1971 10:42 AM
End Date: 10-Mar-1971 1:15 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Price, Raymond K., Jr.; Koch, Noel C.; Butterfield, Alexander P.; Kissinger, Henry A.; Bull, Stephen B.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:54:28
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:27:00
NARA Description:
On March 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Noel C. Koch, Alexander P. Butterfield, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:42 am to 1:15 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 465-008 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 465-8 Date: March 10, 1971 Time: 10:42 am - 1:15 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman President’s schedule -George P. Shultz President’s interview with Cyrus L. (“Cy”) Sulzberger -William P. Rogers’ calls to President and Haldeman A National Security Council [NSC] meeting, March 10, 1971 -Cancellation -Henry A. Kissinger -Rogers -Kissinger Raymond K. Price, Jr. and Noel C. Koch entered at 10:43 am Greetings President’s schedule -April 22 event -Josip Broz Tito -Forthcoming Head of State visit -General Nguyen Van Thieu President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island -Graduation exercises for Naval Officer Candidate School -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II -Revisions -Vietnam War -Length -Subject -Graduating class -Eisenhower’s class standing President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island -Attitudes toward military service 8 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Navy -Vietnam War -Military situation -Effect on attitudes -Vietnamization -Naval situation -President’s recollections -Value -President’s comments -Years of service -Wording -Value -Revisions -Vietnam War -President’s policy -Audience -Graduating class at Newport compared with the country at large -Effect on speech content -Youth’s attitude toward military -Value -Audience -Graduating class at Newport compared with draftees and enlistees -Volunteer army Military -Value to graduating class at Newport -Compared with President’s military unit -Compared with enlisted men -Value to blacks, poor whites President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island -Next draft -Revisions -Audience -Country -Graduating class -Similarity to Sulzberger interview -Distribution -Accuracy -Audience -Similarity to Sulzberger interview -Audience 9 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Dissemination -Length -Tone -Biblical quotations -William F. (“Billy”) Graham -President -Wording -Another draft Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) President’s schedule -Williamsburg -Delivery of Newport speech President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island -Revisions -Vietnam War -Military service -Sacrifices of young Americans -President’s view -US foreign policy -Military action -US defense capacity -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson -Wording -Administration policy -Tone -Expected response -Compared with President’s Williamsburg speech -Judicial system reform -Vietnam War -Rogers’ previous comments to Veterans of Foreign Wars -Headlines -Possible television coverage Price’s office -Workload -Foreign policy -State Department -Letters to heads of state -Kissinger’s office’s work 10 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) Correspondence -Importance -Difficulty -Administration handling -State Department Price and Koch left at 11:05 am Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island -Sulzberger interview -Koch New York Times -Sulzberger’s story -Press -Influence -Ronald L. Ziegler -Herbert G. Klein -News people President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island -Coverage -Compared with Sulzberger interview Kissinger and Rogers -Relations James C. Fletcher story -Daniel L. Schorr’s story -President’s meeting with Peter M. Flanigan -Meeting with President -President’s position on Anti-ballistic Missiles [ABM] -Ziegler -Attendance at a luncheon -Schorr -Date -Schorr -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] -Robert H. Finch President’s appearance in Des Moines, March 1, 1971 -Republican Congressional leadership meeting 11 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -President’s reception -Demonstrations -Republican Congressional leadership meeting -News coverage -Washington Post and news magazines -Statements from a White House staffer President’s trip to Williamsburg Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Ziegler -Logistics -Airport, helipad, Williamsburg Inn and Conference Center -Possible demonstration at the College of William and Mary President’s public appearances -Demonstrators -Laos (Lam Son) issue -Forthcoming Presidential election -Texas -Albuquerque -Utah -Nevada -California -North Dakota -Reason -Lyndon B. Johnson’s experience -Ziegler and Jeb Stuart Magruder -Des Moines -Demonstrations -Press coverage -Cabinet dinner -Jack R. Miller -Clifford M. Hardin -Des Moines Register -White House responses -Miller -News magazines -Counter-demonstrations -Williamsburg -Newport, Rhode Island -President’s popularity -John B. Connally’s statement 12 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Polls -Percentages ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 2m 16s ] Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 ****************************************************************************** Press -Newsweek story -President’s demeanor at previous press conference -Possible White House response -Letters -Ziegler -Donald Oberdorfer, Jr. -News magazines -Laos operation (Lam Son) coverage -President’s possible future television appearances -A film -March 22, 1971 -”One-on-one” interview -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] -Barbara Walters -”Today” show taping, March 11, 1971 -Distribution -Timing -Conditions -Length -Editing -Length -Schedule -Ladies of the press interview -Yellow Oval Room and Red Room 13 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Walters -”Today” show taping -Conditions -Questions -Kissinger -Interview subjects -Schedule -”Today” show Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Interview with ladies of the press -Distribution -Content -Time -Walters -Walters’ interview -Length -Content -Howard K. Smith interview -Compared with Walters’ interview -Time -Walters’ interview -Content -Role of women -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon, daughters -Haldeman’s interview for Washington Monthly magazine -A letter from Matt Storm [?] -Possible action -Magazine -Price’s attitude -Experience with press -Editorial writers -Work at White House -Relations with administration -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan -James Keogh -Moynihan -Newsweek Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 11:20 am Camp David -Cabinet requests -President’s schedule 14 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Cabinet requests -John A. Volpe -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew -Call from Butterfield -Gridiron Dinner -Grandchildren -White House staff -Cabinet members Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Volpe -Calls by Butterfield -Richard M. Helms -Facilities -Volpe -Senior staff at Department of Transportation -Use -President’s use -Staff -Commerce Department picnic -File on use -Agnew -John N. and Martha (Beall) Mitchell -File on use -Major General James D. (“Don”) Hughes -Butterfield’s Cabinet list -Volpe -Elliot L. Richardson -Volpe -Donald H. Rumsfeld -Use -President -Others -Florida -Offer -Volpe -Gridiron dinner -Connally -Agnew -Use during week -Departmental conferences -Agnew -Butterfield’s call 15 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) President’s schedule -Florida The President left at an unknown time after 11:20 am Volpe -A dinner, March 9, 1971 -Camp David Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -A dinner -Calls -Camp David The President entered at an unknown time before 11:36 am President’s schedule -Kissinger Butterfield left at 11:36 am Volpe President’s dinner, March 9, 1971 -Agnew’s demeanor ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 8s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8 ****************************************************************************** Volpe -Possible meeting with President -John D. Ehrlichman -Possible meeting with President 16 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) President’s dinner, March 9, 1971 ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 1m ] Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9 ****************************************************************************** President’s schedule -Meetings with Cabinet officers -Connally -Approach to textiles -Shultz ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 2m 40s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10 ****************************************************************************** Connally’s [?] schedule -Gridiron Dinner -Camp David -Gridiron Dinner -President’s possible attendance 17 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 1m 25s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) ****************************************************************************** President’s appearances since 1970 elections -Press conferences, interviews, State of the Union address, speeches -Public relations -President’s popularity -News summary reports -Financial editors -Paul W. McCracken -Arthur F. Burns -Stock market, March 9, 1971 -Gains -Bernard J. (“Bunny”) Lasker -Polls -Televised interviews with the President -Timing -George H. Gallup results -White House polls -Youth in sample -1970 polls -Presidential approval ratings -Economic factors -Vietnam War -Laotian operation (Lam Son) -Cambodian operation -Compared with third year of John F. Kennedy’s administration -Polls -Use of President’s time -Public relations -Patrick J. Buchanan -Magruder 18 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) White House staff -Connally’s view -Role -Responsibilities -Workload -Background -Public relations concerns -Moynihan and Connally Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Finch and Rumsfeld -Connally and Moynihan -Finch and Rumsfeld An article in Fortune -Administration cycles -Nixon administration compared with [Thomas] Woodrow Wilson administration -Franklin D. Roosevelt administration -Abraham Lincoln administration -Nixon and Wilson administrations -Social welfare cycle -Roosevelt -Nixon and Wilson administrations -New cycle -Democratic Party -Republican Party -Coalition of Republicans and Southern Democrats -Author [Forename unknown] Wrightley [?] -Catalyst -Liberal Republicans -Ripon Society -Rumsfeld -Peer judgement ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 30s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3 19 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) ****************************************************************************** Volpe and Agnew -Personnel Public relations -White House staff -Importance -President’s Des Moines appearance, March 1, 1971 Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Press coverage -White House Press Office response -Ziegler -Effect -Washington Post’s reporting -Demonstrators -Hardhats, farmers, and students -Press coverage -Possible results -Opposition to President -Farming states -Need for White House response -1964 election -Barry M. Goldwater -Sources -Supporters -Farmers, property owners, suburbanites, blacks -Ziegler -Oberdorfer, Washington Post, and Newsweek -Influence -John F. Osborne comparison -President’s forthcoming interview with Walters -Question on Mrs. Nixon and daughters -President’s responses -Richard A. Moore -[Forename unknown] Jesselman’s [?] article -Delivery of information -President’s return from Williamsburg President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island -Work with Price Kissinger entered at 12:00 pm 20 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) President’s interview with Sulzberger in New York Times -Joseph W. Alsop’s call to Kissinger President’s previous meeting with Price -Influence of New York Times President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Kissinger’s review -Tone -Similarity to Sulzberger interview -Meeting with Price and Koch -President’s March 7, 1971 call to Koch An unknown man [Stephen B. Bull?] entered at an unknown time after 12:00 pm Request for Ziegler The unknown man [Bull?] left at an unknown time before 12:05 pm President’s forthcoming speech in Newport, Rhode Island -Koch’s draft -Similarity to Sulzberger interview in New York Times -New York Times influence -Price -Audience -Television and newspaper representatives Ziegler entered at 12:05 pm ABM -Fletcher story -White House response -Influence on nomination as National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA] director -White House response -Ziegler’s previous press briefing -CBS -Meeting with President -Ziegler’s meeting with Fletcher -President’s position 21 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Fletcher -Meeting with Ziegler -Meeting with President -Position on ABM -Confirmation testimony -Position on ABM -Nomination -Schorr Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -White House response to Fletcher story -Williamsburg -Ziegler’s handling -Importance -Soviet Union -Congress -Soviet weaponry -Capability -Fletcher story -Importance -Ziegler’s meeting with Fletcher -Charles W. Colson -Ziegler’s handling at press briefing -White House response to Fletcher story -Call to CBS -President’s meeting with Fletcher -President’s position President’s interviews -Sulzberger -Use -Stewart J. O. Alsop -Richard (“Dick”) Wilson -Sulzberger -Use -Possible review by President -Use -Possible reading by President -Possible comment by White House -Use -Nature -President’s policies of review and comment -Use -President’s policies of review 22 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) Fletcher story -Ziegler’s response to CBS -Importance -Ziegler’s and Fletcher’s response -Flanigan -Fletcher -Accuracy Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Meeting with President -Importance -White House response -Meeting with President Ziegler left at 12:18 pm -Basis -Scientists J. W. Alsop Ziegler -Work -Response to Fletcher story Haldeman left at 12:22 pm President’s interview with Sulzberger -Possible J. W. Alsop column -Staff assistance -Kissinger and Ziegler -Content -J. W. Alsop’s view -Possible S. J. O. Alsop column -Other attendees -Compared with J. W. Alsop interview(s) -Content -Compared with other Presidents -J. W. Alsop -President’s reading -President’s purpose -New York Times coverage -John B. Oakes -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston 23 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) Forthcoming book by Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak -Tone Robert S. McNamara -Form of address -Possible postscript -Meetings with Kissinger Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Importance -Support for Administration policy -Vietnam War -A dinner at Alsop’s house -Laos operation (Lam Son) John [Surname unintelligible] Rogers -Kissinger’s previous conversation -Cancellation of NSC meeting -Israel -Egypt -Soviet Union -A March 9, 1971 meeting -Helms -Position on Middle East -Suez Canal Letters to heads of state -Postscripts -Indira Gandhi -Morocco McNamara -Position at World Bank -Continued work -News reports -David M. Kennedy -Work -Term of service -Possible re-appointment -Support for Administration -[Forename unknown] Freeman 24 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -President’s letter Freeman -Head of a British television channel -Message for President President’s previous interview with Sulzberger -Reasons Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Sulzberger -Sulzberger’s position at New York Times -Oakes -President’s purpose -Reston -Content -President’s foreign policy -J. W. Alsop’s response -Southeast Asia -Golda Meir -Kissinger’s view Forthcoming Evans and Novak book -Kissinger’s interview, March 9, 1971 -President’s foreign policy -Consistency -President’s foreign policy report -Foreign Affairs article -Guam conference -Ireland -Kissinger’s interview -President’s trips -Meetings with heads of state -Romania -China policy -Foreign policy compared with domestic policy -Length -Publication date Laos operation (Lam Son) -Withdrawal -South Vietnamese position -Timing -Ellsworth F. Bunker 25 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -General Creighton W. Abrams, Jr. -Kissinger’s view -North Vietnamese -Military situation -Casualties -North Vietnamese supply routes -Reasoning -Thieu Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Possible US position -Abrams -Admiral Thomas H. Moorer -State Department -Melvin R. Laird -Moorer -Military situation -Possible results -Effect on future supplies -Laird -Military situation -Thieu -Forthcoming presidential election -Army of the Republic of Vietnam [ARVN] -Capability -General Do Cao Tri’s death -Effectiveness -Compared with Austrian army in 1915 -North Vietnamese forces -Compared with Germans -US support -Negotiations with North Vietnam -Possible meeting with the President -Moorer -Abrams’ assessment of situation -Laird -Abrams -Thieu’s position -Withdrawal of ARVN forces -Military situation -Tchepone -Moorer and Abrams -North Vietnamese -Withdrawal 26 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -South Vietnamese -Press coverage -Thieu -South Vietnamese forces -President’s position -Possible effect on 1972 elections -US forces -Abrams’ assessment Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) Vietnam -Air strikes -Results -Weather -Effect -Laos operation -Abrams -President’s position -Possible results -Timing of operation -Abrams -Timing of withdrawal -Abrams’ forthcoming report -Moorer -Laird -General Robert E. Pursley -Statements -ARVN -Capability -US military plans -General Alexander M. Haig, Jr. -Laird -Abrams -Haig -Cambodia -Fred Ladd [?] -Importance -Laos operation -Importance -Possible results -Scenario -Possible withdrawal announcement -Negotiations in Paris 27 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Le Duc Tho -Possible US position -US troop withdrawal -Prisoners of War and Missing in Action (POW/MIA) -Cease fire -US military plans -Withdrawal -American public opinion Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Compared to Korean War -Possible effect on 1972 election -Withdrawal of US forces -Residual force -Negotiations -Effect -US military plans People’s Republic of China [PRC] -A picture of Chou En-lai -Soviet Union -A speech by Chou En-lai on Vietnam War -Kissinger’s analysis -North Vietnam relations Vietnam -US military plans -Air strikes -Laird -Effects -Laos operation (Lam Son) -Military situation -North Vietnamese forces -Troop locations -Tchepone -Casualties -Military supplies -Air strikes -Effects -North Vietnamese supplies -Current ground location -Negotiations -President’s meeting with Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield, March 10, 1971 -US position 28 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Thieu -South Vietnamese election -Laos Operation (Lam Son) -Possible effects -ARVN -Abrams -US influence -ARVN Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Effects -Public statements -Success of operations -Thieu -Forthcoming South Vietnamese elections Soviet Union -Possible summit -Soviet Union’s reply -Kissinger’s view -Foreign policy stance -Possible summit -US strategy -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] -Letter from the President to Aleksei N. Kosygin -Public statement -Party congress -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin -Leonid I. Brezhnev -Effect on possible summit -Timing of Party congress Ziegler entered at 12:49 pm -Possible public statement by US ABM -CBS story on Fletcher -Schorr -Retraction -President’s contact with Fletcher Laos operation (Lam Son) -Moorer 29 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) Soviet Union -Dobrynin’s conversations with Kissinger -President’s position -Possible summit -Party congress -President’s previous conversation with Mansfield -Vienna negotiations -SALT Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) Kissinger left at 12:51 pm ABM -CBS story -Importance of clarification -Ziegler’s statement -President’s position on ABM and SAFEGUARD -President’s meeting with Fletcher -President’s conversations -Fletcher -Others -President’s meeting with Fletcher in receiving line -White House response The President left and Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 12:51 pm A message for the President Butterfield left and the President entered at an unknown time before 1:15 pm ABM -CBS story -Schorr -Fletcher -Fletcher’s position -Forthcoming press briefing Haldeman’s location -Maurice H. Stans Press -White House relations -Ziegler’s briefings -Retraction of Fletcher story 30 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -David Lawrence -Ziegler’s retraction of Fletcher story -President’s view -Lawrence’s column on critics -Connally’s position -Agnew -CBS story on Fletcher -President’s March 9, 1971 meeting with CBS executivesConv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Coverage of President’s trip to Des Moines, March 1, 1971 -Cabinet dinner -Washington Post -Hardin -Agnew -Des Moines Register -Time, Newsweek, Washington Post, and networks -President’s conversation with Haldeman regarding demonstrations -Need for a response -President’s public appearances -Williamsburg -College of William and Mary student demonstrators -1968 campaign appearance -President’s attitude toward demonstrators -President’s upcoming speeches -Ziegler’s conversation with Price -Coverage of President’s trip to Des Moines -Effect -Possible White House response -Newsweek, Time -Possible response -Congressmen -Networks -Herbert E. Kaplow -Dan Rather -Haldeman’s staff meeting -Connally’s remarks -Connally -Ziegler’s remarks -Hardin, other Cabinet members -White House handling of press -CBS story on Fletcher -President’s demeanor at previous press conference -Newsweek’s coverage 31 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Ziegler’s view -Connally’s remarks at Haldeman’s staff meeting -President -Public relations efforts -Johnson -Treatment of press -Compared with President’s demeanor -Next press conference Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Camera location in Oval Office -President’s interviews -Sulzberger -Reasons for interview -Support for Administration -Foreign policy -Questions at Ziegler’s briefing -Acquaintance with President -Philosophy at New York Times regarding Vietnam -Oakes -Reston -Previous meetings with the President -London -Paris -Vice Presidential years -Purpose -Influence of New York Times -Effect -Oakes and Reston -Conditions -President’s review of transcripts -A 1968 post-election interview with James J. Kilpatrick, Jr. -Ziegler’s press briefing -Sulzberger -Sulzberger -Note-taking -Ziegler’s press briefing -President’s statements regarding foreign policy -Vietnam War -US, Asia, Africa, Latin America -Effect at New York Times -Oakes and Reston -President’s acquaintance -Sulzberger 32 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -J. W. Alsop -Wilson -Sulzberger -Roscoe Drummond -President’s interviews -Use of quotes -Backgrounders -Contacts with President Conv. No. 465-8 (cont.) -Previous week’s press conference -Sulzberger interview -Upcoming Oval Office press conference -American Broadcasting Company [ABC] interview -Walters’ interview -Moore’s philosophy -Schorr’s story regarding Fletcher -Possible call from Ziegler -Richard S. Salant of CBS -Supersonic transport [SST] story Ziegler left at 1:15 pm