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Start Date: 16-Mar-1971 11:00 AM

End Date: 16-Mar-1971 12:20 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Lynch, John M (Jack)Ziegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:11:10

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:31:17

468-009.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John M. ("Jack") Lynch, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:00 am to 12:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 468-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 468-9
                                                                      Conv. No. 468-7 (cont.)
Date: March 16, 1971
Time: 11:00 am - 12:20 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John M. (“Jack”) Lynch
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]

     Blair House
           -Compared with European houses
           -Irish guest house

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 11:01 am

     Photographs

Members of the press entered at 11:01 am

     Houses

     [Unintelligible]

     Lynch’s schedule
         -March 18, 1971

     Election
           -Lynch

Ziegler and members of the press left at an unknown time before 12:20 pm

     Press
             -Lynch’s trip to St. Louis
                  -Lynch’s statement
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 5m 54s ]

    GREAT BRITAIN-IRELAND RELATIONS                           Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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    Northern Ireland
         -A housing problem
               -Discrimination
               -President’s concern
               -Catholics and Protestants
               -Housing authority
         -Unemployment
               -Bann River area
                     -Percentage
                     -Teenagers
         -History
               -Prejudice
               -British occupation
               -Oliver Cromwell
               -Protestants
                     -Ulster


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 1m 8s ]

    NORTHERN IRELAND

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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Great Britain
     -Economy
           -Textile trade
           -Recession
           -Union strikes
           -Post office                                         Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)
           -Effect on relations with Ireland
           -Employment

Ireland
      -Trade unions
            -Compared with Great Britain
      -Post office
      -Economy
            -Inflation
            -Effect of British economy
            -Recession
      -Wages
            -Employment
            -Construction
            -Maritime industries
            -Other industries
            -Compared with US
      -Emigration to Great Britain
            -Passport restrictions
      -Unemployment
            -Construction industry
      -Politics
            -Previous party conference
                  -Issues
                  -A Shakeup
                  -Lynch
                  -Previous Prime Minister
                        -Support for Lynch
                  -Previous election in Dublin
                        -Lynch’s party
                  -Demonstrations
                        -Compared with 1968 Democratic Party Convention
      -Inflation
            -Lynch’s policy
            -Labor agreements
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                 -Trade unions
                 -Negotiations
                      -Resolution
     -Budget
          -Compared with US budgetary process
                -Timing
                -Cabinet requests                          Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)
                      -Problems
          -An unknown Irish Cabinet minister
                -Policy
     -Tenure of governments
     -Budget
          -Lynch’s policy

Inflation
      -Europe
      -Japan
      -US
      -Brazil
           -A Latin American friend of the President
      -Indonesia
      -US rate
           -President’s policies
           -Prices
           -Unemployment
                 -Effect
           -Effect of welfare
           -Future
                 -Economy
           -Effect on Europe, Great Britain, and Ireland
           -US policy
                 -International effect

Ireland
      -Imports
      -Emigration
           -President’s view

Rural America
     -Defined
     -Population loss to cities
          -Problems in cities
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     -Productivity
           -Agriculture
     -Population loss to cities
           -President’s policy
     -Cities
           -Boston-Washington, DC
           -Pittsburgh-Detroit-Cleveland-Chicago          Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)
           -San Francisco-San Diego
           -City population increases
           -Problems
           -President’s policies
                 -Medium-sized cities
                      -Infrastructure and facilities
                      -Employment

Lynch’s visit to North and South Carolina
    -Industry
          -Compared with Ireland
    -Economy
    -Schools
    -Lynch’s observations
          -Universities

Cities
      -Federal policy
      -Facilities
      -Problems
            -South Philadelphia
      -Irish immigrants
            -Socio-economic condition
      -Problems
            -South Philadelphia
                  -Blacks
                  -East Europeans
                  -Italians
            -Changes

Irish immigration to US
       -Changes
       -Socio-economic position
       -Accomplishments
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     -President’s view
           -George Meany
           -Teddy Renton [?]
     -Traditions

Ethnic groups in US
     -Blacks                                                      Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)
            -African civilizations
     -Irish, Poles, Germans, and Italians
     -Head of State visits
     -Nicolae Ceausescu
            -Romania
     -Irish

Meany
    -Previous International Labor Organization [ILO] conference
         -Lynch’s recollection
         -Presidency
               -Communist candidate
                     -Madagascar
                     -Soviet Union
                     -Poland
               -Election
         -Communist participation
         -Lynch’s policy
               -Purpose of ILO
                     -Labor issues
         -A West German labor leader
         -Support for President
               -Conversation between Lynch and Meany
         -Cuba
         -Soviet Union
         -United States
    -ILO
    -Meany’s change in perception
    -Lynch’s policy

Vietnam
     -US troop withdrawals
          -President’s forthcoming announcement
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-Military situation
      -Laos and Cambodia operations
            -Press reports
            -Results
                  -Effect on North Vietnamese supplies
                  -US troop withdrawals
-Future of South Vietnam                                      Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)
      -US policy
-Army of the Republic of Vietnam [ARVN]
      -Laotian operation (Lam Son)
            -Compared with Cambodian operation
            -Military success
      -President’s previous press conference
-Future of South Vietnam
      -US policy
            -Objectives
                  -Viability
-US troop withdrawals
      -Timing
      -Peace negotiations
-Peace negotiations
      -Possible cease fire, withdrawal, and exchange of prisoners
            -President’s previous comments
            -North Vietnamese strategy
      -Timing
            -President’s view
      -North Vietnam, US, South Vietnam
      -Possible future
-Military situation
      -Laotian operation (Lam Son)
            -Results
                  -ARVN
                  -Effect
-US troop withdrawals
      -President’s position
      -Senators
      -Newspaper editorials
      -President’s position
            -Timing
-Negotiations
      -Prisoners of War [POWs]
      -Cease fire
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           -Timing
           -Results
      -Future of South Vietnam
           -Viability
                 -US policy
      -US troop withdrawals
           -South Vietnamese military                        Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)
      -North Vietnamese position
      -South Vietnamese military
Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] negotiations
      -Spring 1971 meetings in Vienna
      -Effect on US and Soviet Union
           -President’s view
                 -Future
                 -Prospects

Middle East
    -Israel’s position
    -Egyptian position
    -President’s view
          -Truce
          -Future
    -Egypt
          -Gamal Abdel Nasser
          -Anwar el-Sadat
    -US position
          -Israel
    -Soviet Union
          -Egypt

Europe
     -US interests
     -British entry into Common Market
     -US agriculture
           -US policy
           -Free trade philosophy
           -British and Irish entry into the Common Market
           -Common Market policy
           -US discussions with Edward R. G. Heath
     -British entry into Common Market
           -US policy
     -France, Germany, and Great Britain
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     -British entry into Common Market
           -President’s view
           -US trade position
     -US trade policy
           - Free trade
     -German agriculture
           -French, British, Irish agriculture              Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)
                 -President’s view
     -Agriculture subsidies in Europe
           -Butter
           -Dairy products
           -Cattle
     -US agriculture
           -Dairy industry
                 -Subsidy
                       -Cheese
                       -Effect on prices
           -President’s view
     -French, British, and German economies
           -Industry
           -Agriculture

Agriculture
     -Importance
            -President’s view
     -Irish
            -Sector of economy
                  -Benefit of Common Market
                        -Great Britain
                        -Access to markets
            -Cheese and grains
            -Budgetary problems in Ireland
                  -Compared with European budget problems
            -James Callaghan
                  -Lynch’s previous conversation
                  -Heath
                  -Political future
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Tricia Nixon’s engagement
      -Announcement
           -Forthcoming Head of State dinner
                -East Room
                -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon and Mairin (O’Connor) Lynch
                -The President and Lynch
                -Entertainment                                 Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)
                -Mrs. Nixon
                -Guests
                -President’s remarks
                      -Lynch’s response
                -Mrs. Nixon
                -Blue Room receiving line
                      -Mrs. Nixon and M. O. Lynch
                      -T. Nixon and Edward R. F. Cox
                -Lynch’s departure for Blair House
           -Mrs. Nixon’s birthday

Press questions for Lynch
      -Foreign policy
      -Northern Ireland
           -Lynch’s comments
                 -The President

Northern Ireland
     -Lynch’s meeting with the President
     -Heath
     -Forthcoming press statements by Lynch
           -Unification
           -Reforms
           -British policy
           -Meeting of President and Lynch
                 -President’s comments
           -Reforms

Lynch’s schedule
    -Forthcoming events
    -Blair House
    -President’s forthcoming meetings
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     Duties of Presidents
          -President
          -Eamon De Valera
                -President’s meeting
                -Possible successor
                      -Lynch’s age
                      -Political position                       Conv. No. 468-9 (cont.)

     Ireland
           -Revolution
                 -Compared with US
           -Political situation
                 -Lynch’s policies
                 -Future leadership
                 -Parliament
                 -Lynch

     Political leadership
           -President’s advice to youth
           -President’s advice to Congressmen and Senators
           -Leadership traits
           -Issues of Nixon Administration
                 -Riots
                 -Vietnam War
                       -Youth
                       -President’s policies
           -Polls
                 -Winston S. Churchill’s statement
           -Actions of leader
                 -Public opinion

     President’s meeting with Lynch

     Oval Office
          -Painting of George Washington
          -Seal in carpet
          -Theodore (“Teddy”) Roosevelt
          -Picture of White House in 1837

The President and Lynch left at 12:20 pm
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