Conversation: 473-007
Prev: 473-006 Next: 473-008Start Date: 25-Mar-1971 11:25 AM
End Date: 25-Mar-1971 11:30 AM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:24:04
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:26:55
NARA Description:
On March 25, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 11:30 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 473-007 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 473-7
Date: March 25, 1971
Time: Unknown between 11:25 am and 11:30 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Stephen B. Bull
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Tape Subject Log
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Forthcoming press briefing
The President and Bull left at an unknown time before 11:30 am
Conversation
Conv. No. 473-7
No.(cont.)
473-8
Date: March 25, 1971
Time: 12:16 pm - 1:58 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
Frank van der Linden interview
-General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Henry A. Kissinger
-President’s enemies, supporters
-Forthcoming interview with the President
-Vietnam negotiations
-Possible interview with Kissinger
President’s schedule
-California trip
-Weather
-Press
-Staff advice
-Donald H. Rumsfeld
-John D. Ehrlichman
-George P. Shultz
-Length of stay
-Florida trip
Congress
-Support for President
-Robert H. Finch
-Support for President
-Core constituency
-Ehrlichman’s and Finch’s advice
-Clark MacGregor
-Response to President
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-Recess
-Executive Branch reorganization plan
-Response
-Haldeman’s view
-Senate Democrats
Supersonic Transport [SST] issue
-Hubert H. Humphrey Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-Position
-Environmentalists
-Industry
-Power compared with popular opinion
Congress
-Shultz
-MacGregor
-Finch
-Rumsfeld
-John N. Mitchell
-Shultz
-Ehrlichman
-Work
-Shultz
-Ehrlichman
-Cycles
George H. Gallup poll
-Approval of President
-Charles W. Colson
-Meaning and effect
-Possible effect on Congress
President’s schedule
-California trip
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2m 26s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
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-Events to be set up by staff
-Press conference
-Length
-President’s speech
-Kissinger’s and William L. Safire’s role
-President’s work
-Location
-Florida
-President’s speech
-California compared with Florida
-Weather
-California trip
-Palm Springs
-San Clemente
-Samuel Goldwyn
-Medal of Freedom
-Timing
-Press conference
-Timing
-President’s preparation
-Compared with Howard K. Smith interview
-Timing
-Goldwyn
-Press conference
-John B. Connally
-Quadriad meeting
-Purpose of visit
-Meeting with James D. Hodgson and aerospace officials
-Purpose
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Issues
-Economy
-Vietnam War
-Forthcoming coverage
-Domestic programs
-President’s programs
President’s schedule Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-California trip
-Weather
-President’s speech
-Kissinger
-Kissinger and Melvin R. Laird
-Congress
-President’s speech and press conference
-Work with Patrick J. Buchanan
-Delivery
Congress
-SST vote
-White House efforts
-Meaning
-President’s possible appearance at Chowder and Marching Society, March 24, 1971
-Mood
-Ehrlichman and Rumsfeld’s advice
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO.2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 3m 1s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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President’s appearances
-Effect
-Smith interview
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-Cabinet meeting
-Republican leaders’ meeting
-President’s role
-SST
-Effect
-SST vote in House of Representatives
-National Newspapers Association reception
-Effect Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-Use of President’s time
-Public appearances
-Television
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2m 1s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:16 pm
Forthcoming van der Linden interview
-Possible rescheduling in California
-Meeting with President on plane
-President’s schedule
-National Newspaper Association reception
-March 26, 1971
-Breakfast with Carl B. Albert, Ford, and [Thomas] Hale Boggs
-10:00 Cabinet meeting
-Justinian Society
-California trip
-Departure time
-Meeting with Laird [?]
-Possible interviews en route to California
-President, Kissinger
-Possible interview with President, March 26, 1971
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Bull left at an unknown time before 12:42 pm
Connally
-Possible trip to California
-Recent work
Republicans
-Program of administration Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-Response
-Theodore (“Teddy”) Roosevelt
-Response
-Farmers
-Roosevelt
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 40s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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Refreshments
Rose Mary Woods entered at 12:42 pm
President’s schedule
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 24s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
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Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:42 pm
van der Linden interview
-March 26, 1971
-California trip
President’s schedule, March 25, 1971
-Possible interview with van der Linden Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-Meeting with Thomas A. Pappas and Mitchell
-Length
-Timing
-Possible van der Linden interview
-Time
-Congressional Black Caucus
-Meeting with Mitchell and Pappas
-Follow-up meeting with Mitchell
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:58 pm
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 12m 19s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
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Woods left at 12:58 pm
President’s schedule
-Congressional Black Caucus
-Briefing for President
-Ehrlichman’s view
-MacGregor and Robert J. Brown
-President’s role
-Charles C. Diggs, Jr.
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Youth
-Student body presidents
-Compared with students in President and Haldeman’s eras
-Effect of television
-Haldeman’s children
-President’s previous meeting with youth leaders
-Finch’s role
-One student’s remarks Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-White House staff
-Meetings with the President
-Memoranda to the President
-Interests
-Draft deferment
-Finch
-Summer intern program
-View of participants
-President’s view
-Peace Corps
-Joseph H. Blatchford
-Volunteers
-Effect of unemployment
-Reason for joining
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-President as a young person
-Trip to Europe
-Student body presidents’ previous meeting with President
-President’s possible appearances with students
-Educational television
-College campuses
-Effect
-Compared with William F. (“Billy”) Graham’s appearances
-Graham’s campus appearances
-Effect
-President’s possible appearances with students
-Educational television
-Meeting in Oval Office
-Forthcoming meeting with Finch and Colson
-Student leaders
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National spirit
-Administration stands on SST, space program, Vietnam War, defense, US leadership
-Compared with British, French, Germans, and Japanese
-German and Japanese youth
Young people
President’s schedule Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-Use of President’s time
-Meetings with students
-Students
-Use of President’s time
-Public appearances
Stock market
-Dow-Jones average
-President’s response
President’s schedule
-A swearing-in
-President’s role
-March 25 or March 26, 1971
-Public appearances
-Effect
-Public relations value
-Cabinet officers
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Connally
Agnew
-Compared with Connally
-President’s position
-Media
-Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak column
-Rumsfeld
-A Cabinet meeting
-Shultz
-Possible appearances on campuses
-Youth
-Shultz’s desegregation group
-Right-wing connections
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-Advice
-President
-White House staff
-Gridiron Club Dinner
-Advice
-President
Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 10m 7s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
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President’s schedule
-California trip
-William P. Rogers
-Role as Secretary of State
-Kissinger’s role
Vietnam
-President’s forthcoming speech
-Kissinger and Safire
-Tone
-Compared with President’s Cambodia and November 3, 1969 speeches
-1972
-President’s critics
-Laos operation (Lam Son)
-Army of the Republic of Vietnam [ARVN]
-Withdrawal
-President’s view
-Coverage by media
-General Nguyen Van Thieu’s instructions
-Alternative actions
-Thieu’s election
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] News
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-ARVN withdrawal
-Thieu
-Casualties
-North Vietnamese casualties
-Compared with ARVN casualties
-Bombing
-Effect
-Tonnage dropped Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-Air Force
President’s schedule
-Possible call to Boeing employees
-Colson
-Coverage
-President’s statement
-Content
-President’s policies
-President’s support
-Boeing 707s, 727s, 747s
-Washington state
-Public relations effect
-California trip
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 59s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
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-President’s speech
-California trip
-Return time
-April 6 and April 7, 1971 (?)
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President’s previous interview with Smith
-Congressional response
-Need for surrogate speakers
-Press coverage
-White House follow-up
Public relations efforts
-Whitney M. Young, Jr.’s funeral Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-President’s statements
-Revenue sharing
-Importance
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 26s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
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Agnew
J. Edgar Hoover
-Future
-Haldeman’s forthcoming talk with Mitchell
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 22s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
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President’s schedule
-Meeting with National Newspaper Association
-Meeting with mayors
-Meeting with Congressional Black Caucus
-Length, agenda
-Reception for White House social aides
-Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
-Meeting with Congressional Black Caucus Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
-Agenda
Agnew
-Motives for behavior
-Novak’s column
-Haldeman’s conversations
-Relations with President
-Relations with White House staff
-Phone calls
-Compared with John A. Volpe and George W. Romney
White House secretaries
-Phone calls
-A secretary of Haldeman’s
-Woods
Haldeman’s phone call
-Calls to Senators
-White House switchboard
-Call to Rogers
-Maggie Howell [?]
Vietnam
-Laos operation (Lam Son)
-Coverage
-Monday magazines
-Kissinger
Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:58 pm
Kissinger’s location
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:58 pm
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 24s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13 Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
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Mrs. Nixon’s staff
-Constance M. (Cornell) (“Connie”) Stuart and Lucy A. Winchester
-Trip to California
-Stuart
Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:58 pm
Manolo Sanchez’s location
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:58 pm
Congress
-President’s supporters
-Finch and Rumsfeld’s advice
-Colson’s advice
-Freshmen Republican Congressmen
-Vietnam War, Laos operation
-Effect of recess
-Public opinion
-Effect of press
-Haldeman’s view
-Washington Post
-New York Times
-Recess plans
-Bahamas
-Trips
-Work with constituents
-Staff
-Work
-Mail
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-Committee meetings
-Re-election work
-Relations with White House
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 14 Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 50s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 14
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Hoover
-Haldeman’s forthcoming meeting with Mitchell
-Jerry Greene [?]
Agnew
-Peter H. Dominick
-Relations with Moynihan, Leonard Garment, Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Relations with Buchanan
-Memorandum
-President’s conversation with Barry M. Goldwater
-Work
-Revenue sharing
-A cities meeting
-Public relations
-Staff [?]
-A speech at Republican fundraiser
-A briefing
-A group
-Possible campus speeches
-March 24, 1971 speech
President’s schedule
-Dinner for businessmen
-[Name unintelligible]
-Roger Milliken
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-Charles S. Mitchell
-John A. (“Jack”) Mulcahy
-Charles S. Payson
-J[ohn] Howard Pew
-H. Ross Perot
-[Name unintelligible]
Haldeman left at 1:58 pm Conv. No. 473-8 (cont.)