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Start Date: 23-Apr-1971 11:56 AM

End Date: 23-Apr-1971 12:19 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Ziegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:18:20

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:40:23

487-007.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:56 am to 12:19 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 487-007 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 487-7

Date: April 23, 1971
Time: 11:56 am - 12:19 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

     Ambassadors
         -G. Mcmurtrie Godley
              -Performance
         -Edward M. Korry
              -Chile
              -Letter to the President
                    -William P. Rogers
                    -Instructions
              -James L. Buckley
                    -Letter to administration

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 11:56 am.

     President's schedule
          -Meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin

Ziegler left at 11:57 am.

     Chile
             -Korry’s activities
             -Administration’s action
             -Rogers
             -Agency for International Development [AID]
                  -Department of State
             -Tenure
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Privacy]
[Duration: 3s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1                                     Conv. No. 487-7 (cont.)

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    Korry
         -Possible reassignment
              -President’s concern


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Privacy]
[Duration: 9s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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    US and Soviet negotiations
         -Kissinger’s forthcoming meeting with Dobrynin
              -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
              -Possible Summit meeting
         -US position
         -Dobrynin
         -Summit announcement
              -Timing
                    -Dobrynin's schedule
         -Developments
         -Summit announcement
              -Timing
         -SALT announcement
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                -Timing
           -Summit announcement
                -Timing
           -US strategy
           -Dobrynin
           -Soviet strategy
           -SALT
                -Possible agreement                                     Conv. No. 487-7 (cont.)
                       -Release
                            -President’s position
                       -Announcement
                       -US position
                       -Timing
                -People's Republic of China [PRC] initiative

     PRC initiative
         -Press reporting
                -Donald Oberdorfer, Jr.

[Transcript #1: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     Vietnam
          -President's policies
                -Opposition
                      -The President
                -Critics
                      -Lyndon B. Johnson
                -Goals
                      -South Vietnam’s survival
          -Press
                -Television
                -Print media
                -Kissinger's conversation with Henry Hubbard
                -Washington Post editorial, April 23, 1971
                      -Views regarding South Vietnam
                      -Ceasefire
          -U.S. policy
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                 -Vietnamization
                 -US forces
                 -South Vietnam
           -Critics
                 -Goals
           -Press
                 -Christian Science Monitor
           -Radicals                                                    Conv. No. 487-7 (cont.)
                 -Issues
                 -Confrontation tactics
           -Effect on Vietnam on national mood
                 -Kissinger’s view
           -College and University presidents
                 -Views
                 -Introspection

[Transcript #2: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     Vietnam
          -Kissinger’s view of future
                -Post-Vietnam society
          -Radicals
                -Views regarding the President
                -Goals
                -Tactics
                -Issues
          -End-of-war
                -Prospects
          -Radicals
          -US policy
                -Nguyen Van Thieu and Nguyen Cao Ky
          -Cambodia
          -Critics
                -Public relations
                      -Possible administration counterattacks
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         -President's speech, April 7, 1971
         -President's meeting with newspaper editors, April 16, 1971
         -President's options


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2                                             Conv. No. 487-7 (cont.)
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 33s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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    Economy
        -Outlook
        -Critics

    Vietnam
         -Press
               -Otis Chandler
                     -Children
               -Mary McGrory
               -Liberals
         -Post-Vietnam society
               -Liberals
         -President’s options
         -US strategy

    US and Soviet negotiations

    PRC initiative
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     Vietnam
          -Thomas W. Braden's call to Kissinger
                -Democrat critics
                -Communist takeover issue
                -Braden's views
                -Frank Mankiewicz
          -Democrat critics
          -US Intervention                                              Conv. No. 487-7 (cont.)
          -Withdrawal
                -US strategy
          -Kissinger's conversation with Braden
                -President's position
                -Administration critics
          -Braden
          -Mankiewicz
                -Robert F. Kennedy
          -Politics
          -Washington Post article
                -John B. Connally's views
                      -1972 campaign issues
                            -War
                            -Economy

[Transcript #3: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     Congress
         -Democrats
         -George S. McGovern - Mark O. Hatfield Amendment
         -John Sherman Cooper - Frank Church Amendment
         -McGovern - Hatfield Amendment

     Vietnam
          -Withdrawal
               -Congressional critics
          -Negotiations
               -Possible North Vietnamese Initiatives
               -US stance
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               -Prospects
                    -Kissinger’s assessment
         -Paris Peace negotiations
               -Kissinger’s presence
               -Possible US proposals
               -Rogers
               -Prospects
               -Possible US proposals                          Conv. No. 487-7 (cont.)
                    -Strategy
                          -Possible public relations benefit
                    -Stance
                    -Possible North Vietnamese stance
               -US stance
                    -Ceasefire
                          -Timing
                    -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                    -Possible North Vietnamese position
                          -Thieu, Ky and Tran Thien Khiem
               -Possible US proposals
               -Xuan Thuy
                    -Possible meeting with Kissinger
               -Possible US stance
                    -Military options


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[National Security]
[Duration: 15s ]


    VIETNAM PEACE NEGOTIATIONS


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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               -Outlook
           -Meeting with the President

Kissinger left at 12:19 pm.



                                                                      Conversation No.(cont.)
                                                                      Conv. No. 487-7  487-8

Date: April 23, 1971
Time: 12:19 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     The President's schedule
          -Open door hour
               -Deaf child
                      -Communication
                      -Lip-reading
                      -Age

Bull left at 12:19 pm.