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Conversation: 491-003

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Start Date: 28-Apr-1971 11:42 AM

End Date: 28-Apr-1971 11:59 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Laird, Melvin R.Johnson, James E.Hughes, James D. ("Don")Chafee, John H.Malek, Frederic V.Ziegler, Ronald L.[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:21:07

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:37:28

491a.mp3

491b.mp3

491c.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Melvin R. Laird, James E. Johnson, James D. ("Don") Hughes, John H. Chafee, Frederic V. Malek, Ronald L. Ziegler, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:42 am to 11:59 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 491-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 491-3

Date: April 28, 1971
Time: 11:42 am - 11:59 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Melvin R. Laird, James E. Johnson, Gen. James D. Hughes, John H.
Chafee and Frederic V. Malek.

     Greetings

     Photo session
          -Johnson’s nomination
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                            (rev. 9/08)




Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 11:43 am.

     Blacks
          -Admiral [Samuel L. Gravely, Jr.]
          -Generals
          -Navy
                                                            Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)
     Photo session
          -Timing

Ziegler left at an unknown time before 11:59 am.

     Navy
            -Blacks

     Johnson's background
          -Possible assistance
                -Race relations
                -Drug problem
          -California
          -Civil Service Commission [CSC]
          -Marine Corps
                -Warrant officer
          -Navy
          -Appointment
          -Qualifications
          -Interest in drug problem

     Gravely
          -Meeting with President
          -Senate
          -Schedule
          -Frocking
          -Promotion
               -Procedures
          -Frocking

     Navy
            -Promotions
            -Admirals
                 -Procedures
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 9/08)



                      -Frocking
                -[Gravely] and Alan B. Shepard, Jr.
                      -Possible meeting with President
                -President's schedule
                      -California

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 11:43 am.
                                                                    Conv. No. 491-3 (cont.)
     Photo session

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:59 am.

     Johnson's tenure at CSC
          -Successor
                -Jayne B. Spain

     Civil Service
           -Women

     Johnson's qualifications
          -Selection
          -Laird and Chafee
          -Record
          -Race

     Administration appointments
         -Criteria

     Gen. Daniel ("Chappie") James, Jr.
          -Performance
          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -Speeches
          -Appearance
                -University of Wisconsin
                -"Today" show
          -Rank
          -Defense Department
                -Position
          -Prisoners of War [POWs]
          -Public affairs
          -Laird's appearance before National Council of Churches
                -Chicago
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 9/08)




An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 11:43 am.

     Schedule

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:59 am.

     President's Chamber of Commerce speech, April 26, 1971            Conv. No. 491-3 (cont.)
          -Washington Post
          -Welfare reform
                 -John W. Byrnes
                 -Wilbur D. Mills
                 -Administration program
                 -President's meeting with Russell B. Long
                       -Carolyn B. Long

Members of the press entered and left at an unknown time during the meeting.

     Photo session
          -Seating arrangements
          -[Camera noise]
          -[General conversation]

     Johnson's career
          -Marine Corps

     [Unintelligible]


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 34s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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     Laird's schedule
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 9/08)



           -Air Force Association

     President’s schedule
          -Forthcoming welcome to First Marine Division [Camp Pendleton, California, April
                30, 1971]
          -Commandant [Leonard F. Chapman]
          -John W. Warner
          -Chafee                                                  Conv. No. 491-3 (cont.)
                -Speech on environment
                -Warner

     Navy's environmental activities
         -Credit
         -Rhode Island

     Presentation of gifts
          -Cuff links
          -Paper weight
          -Golf

Laird, Johnson, Hughes, Chafee, and Malek left at 11:59 am.