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Start Date: 11-May-1971 11:20 AM

End Date: 11-May-1971 11:51 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Saxbe, William B.Haig, Alexander M., Jr.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:17:24

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:48:50

497a.mp3

497b.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, William B. Saxbe, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:20 am to 11:51 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 497-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 497-2

Date: May 11, 1971
Time: 11:20 am - 11:51 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with William B. Saxbe and Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

     Greetings

     Henry A. Kissinger's schedule
         -Saxbe's trip report

     Saxbe's conversation with Melvin R. Laird

     Military draft
           -Saxbe's Senate speech, May 10, 1971
           -Views of young people
           -Saxbe's press conference
           -Public opinion regarding military
                -Marines
                -Airborne divisions
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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Vietnam
     -Saxbe's conversation with Edwin O. Reischaur
          -Asia

Saxbe's conversation with Japanese Prime Minister
     -Elaine Thayer
US foreign policy
     -Asians' views                                                   Conv. 497-1 (cont.)
     -Marshall Plan
     -Europe and Asia
           -Wendell L. Willkie
     -World War II, Korea, Vietnam
     -Europe
           -Economy
     -Pacific Nations
           -People's Republic of China [PRC]
           -Japan
           -Southeast Asia
                 -Indonesia
                 -Philippines
     -India and Pakistan
     -Reischauer's
           -Vietnam, Japan
     -Japan
           -Possible military build-up
     -Saxbe's May 10, 1971 Senate speech
     -Volunteer army
     -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield's views regarding North Atlantic Treaty Organization
           [NATO]
     -US military commitments after World War II

Vietnam
     -US policy
          -Europe
                -Germany, Great Britain
                -Views of Europeans
                -Press
                -Saxbe's May 10, 1971 Senate Speech
                     -Chicago Daily News, West Berlin

Military draft
      -Robert A. Taft, Jr.'s, views
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     -Timing of volunteer army proposal
          -Michael Gravel
          -Taft
     -Legislation
          -Gravel's possible action
     -Timing of volunteer army proposal
          -Taft
          -Barry M. Goldwater                            Conv. No. 497-2 (cont.)
          -Peter H. Dominick
     -Re-enlistment rate
     -Public opinion of military
     -Timing
     -Troops

Vietnam
     -Saxbe's son
           -Service in Vietnam
                 -Marine platoon service near Da Nang
     -Communists
     -Compared with World War I trench warfare
     -Saxbe's son
           -Encounter with Viet Cong
           -Military future
                 -Quantico
           -Background
                 -Southern Methodist University
           -Views regarding Vietnam
     -President's travels
     -US accomplishments
           -Marine Pacification Program
     -Saxbe's travels
           -Community action
           -Children
     -Cities
     -Economy
           -Agriculture
           -Ford Motors, Honda
           -”Gold teeth”
           -Peasants
     -Polity

Latin America
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                                 Tape Subject Log
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     -Brazil
     -Chile, Peru, Bolivia
     -Paraguay
     -Argentina
     -Colombia, Venezuela
          -Resources

Constitutional Democracy                                  Conv. No. 497-2 (cont.)
     -Africa
           -Development
     -Compared with Vietnam
     -Development
           -Great Britain
           -France,
           -US
           -Germany

World situation
    -Views of youth
    -”Ivory tower”
    -Peace
    -Anarchy, tyranny
    -Iran
           -Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi
           -Nature of government
    -Thailand
           -Nature of government

Cities
      -Chicago
            -Type of government
            -Richard J. Daley
      -Newspapers
      -John V. Lindsay
      -Carl B. Stokes
            -Cleveland, Ohio
            -End of service
      -Kenneth A. Gibson
      -Newark, N.J.
      -Future mayoral election in Cleveland
      -Daley's work in Chicago
      -Jersey City
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                   -Frank Hague
             -Philadelphia and Pittsburgh bosses

     Negotiations
           -Prospects
           -Vietnam
           -Arms control
           -PRC                                                    Conv. No. 497-2 (cont.)
     Military draft
           -Legislation for extension
                -Current filibuster
                -Possible 1972 action
                -Democrats, Republicans
                -Taft
                -Possible effects
           -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy's views
           -Saxbe's conversations with unknown youths
                -Abraham Lincoln and Civil War
           -Kennedy's statements
           -Views of Alan Cranston and Gravel
           -Views of Richard S. Schweiker, Taft, and Goldwater
           -Saxbe’s exchange with Gravel in Senate, May 10, 1971

     Ohio
             -Taft
             -Military installations
                   -Florida
                   -Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
             -Federal automotive test center
                   -John A. Volpe
                   -Detroit
                   -Governor James B. Rhodes' offer
                         -Ohio bond issue
                   -Ohio vs. Florida
                         -Volpe, Ohio congressmen

     Gifts
             -Cufflinks, golf balls, paperweight

     The President's desk, Saxbe's desk

Haig and Saxbe left at 11:51 am
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                              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 9/08)