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Start Date: 13-May-1971 10:04 AM

End Date: 13-May-1971 10:30 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Richardson, Elliot L.Duval, Merlin K. ("Morty") (Dr.)Ehrlichman, John D.Ziegler, Ronald L.MacGregor, ClarkWhite House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:51:00

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:16:29

498a.mp3

498b.mp3

498c.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Elliot L. Richardson, Dr. Merlin K. ("Morty") Duval, John D. Ehrlichman, Ronald L. Ziegler, Clark MacGregor, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:04 am to 10:30 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 498-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 498-3

Date: May 13, 1971
Time: 10:04 am - 10:30 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Elliot L. Richardson, Dr. Merlin K. (“Monty”) DuVal, John D.
Ehrlichman, Ronald L. Ziegler and Clark MacGregor at 10:04 am; the White House
photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting

[General conversation]
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Ziegler and the photographers left at an unknown time before 10:30 am.

     DuVal
         -Dartmouth
         -Role with administration
              -Health care
                    -Position of doctors
         -Nickname                                                       Conv. No 498-2 (cont.)
              -Jack Armstrong radio show in 1930's
         -Background
              -Father
              -Travels
                    -Mexico (Nogales area)
                    -Wife
                    -Friends

     Mexico
         -People

     US
          -Blacks, Latin Americans

     DuVal
         -Role with administration
              -Travel to Arizona
              -Indians
                    -Los Angeles area
                    -Health care
              -Predecessors
                    -Authority
                    -Robert A. Taft, Jr.
                    -Role
                          -American Medical Association [AMA]
                    -Taft
                    -Title and functions
                    -John W. Gardner
                    -Work
              -Health care program
                    -Welfare
                    -Revenue sharing
                    -[Unintelligible name]
                    -Lewis H. Butler, Robert E. Patricelli
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                                Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 9/08)



                -White House staff
                -Duke of Wellington's comment at Waterloo
                -Staff needs, program needs
                -National Institutes of Health [NIH], National Institute of Mental Health
                      [NIMH]
                      -Autonomy
                            -Narcotics
                -Mary Lasker, James A. Shannon                      Conv. No. 498-3 (cont.)
                -NIH, NIMH
                -NIH director
                      -Dr. Robert Q. Marston
                -Inter-departmental cooperation regarding narcotics
                      -Defense, Justice, and of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
                      -U.S. troops in Europe
                            -Robert H. Finch
                -Cancer
                      -Research, publicity
                      -Marston
                -Bureaucracy

Bureaucracy
     -State Department, Foreign Service
           -Changes
     -Problems of new appointees
           -Richardson
     -Fears

Medical profession
    -Health care system
          -US
          -Burma
          -US
                -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
                -Roger O. Egeberg, Richardson
          -The President's plan in 1948
                -Christian A. Herter
                -Medical profession's response
                -Morris Fishbein
                -Russell Davenport
                -Herter
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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 9/08)



           -AMA
           -Popular opinion
                 -Senators, Congressmen, and doctors
           -Richardson's health care plan
           -Political funding

     Richardson's health care plan
          -MacGregor’s work in congress                          Conv. No. 498-3 (cont.)
          -Kennedy program
          -W. Clement Stone's comments ten years ago
          -Medical profession
               -Views of administration

     Presentation of gifts by the President
          -Cufflinks, golf balls

Richardson, et al., left at 10:30 am