Conversation: 498-005
Prev:  498-004 Next: 498-006Start Date: 13-May-1971 10:32 AM
End Date: 13-May-1971 12:20 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Baker, Steven; Daley, Richard J.; Shultz, George P.; White House photographer; Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:16:41
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:48:42
NARA Description:
On May 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Steven Baker, Richard J. Daley, George P. Shultz, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:32 am to 12:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 498-005 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 498-5 Date: May 13, 1971 Time: 10:32 am - 12:20 pm Location: Oval Office 14 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) The President met with John D. Ehrlichman; Discontinuities appear in the original recording Merlin K. (“Morty”) DuVal -Elliot L. Richardson -[Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. ?] Richardson Conv. No. 498-3 (cont.) H.R. Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 10:32 am -Compared to Robert H. Finch -School and health issues -Performance -School districts -Edward L. Morgan, John N. Mitchell -The President's schedule -Richardson -Mitchell, John B. Connally -Meeting -Camp David -Performance Air bags -John A. Volpe's action -Charles W. Colson's possible efforts -Herbert W. Kalmbach -Henry Ford II's meeting with the President -Ralph Nader -Possible future cooperation between administration and auto industry -Kalmbach -General Motor [GM], Chrysler -Taxes -James M. Roche -Support for the President President's schedule -Ford -Roche Roche The President's schedule 15 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Roche -Cole [?] -Peter G. Peterson -Meetings at White House, lunch schedule -Conversation with Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz -US competitive position abroad -Peterson, Ehrlichman -Air bags Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Speech -Consumerism, environmentalism, industry -Richard J. Daley -GM -Conversation with Ehrlichman -Air bags -Ford -Department of Transportation [DOT] Safety Division -Ford -Morgan's suggestion -John W. Gardner -Heads of Congress of Industrial Organizations [CIO] and League of Woman Voters -Welfare reform Welfare reform -Public relations -Blacks -Ronald L. Ziegler -Emphasis -Politics -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan, Leonard Garment -The President's views -Public relations -Morgan and other speakers -Black audiences -Wilbur D. Mills' approach -Public relations -Richardson -Ziegler -Press -Ronald W. Reagan's possible views 16 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) An unknown man [Stephen B. Bull] entered and conferred with Haldeman at an unknown time after 10:32 am [Unintelligible] Reagan Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Letter to the President regarding California Rural Legal Assistance [CRLA] Welfare reform -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew and Mitchell -Possible conversation with Reagan The unknown man [Bull ?] left at an unknown time before 11:33 am Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] -The President's program regarding legal services -Privatization -Public support -Effect -The President’s view -Walter F. Mondale's legislation -Board members -Chief Justice -The President -Congress -Hoover Commission -Frank C. Carlucci -Forthcoming conversation with Ehrlichman -President’s plans Carlucci -Future role with administration -State department career Welfare reform -Reagan CRLA -Mitchell -L. Patrick Gray, III -Relation to welfare reform 17 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Administration position -Carlucci -Reagan Peterson -Conversation with the President -Compared with Charles H. Percy and [name(s) unintelligible] Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) Great Britain and France [UNINTELLIGIBLE] Unknown man -Ehrlichman's son's attendance at dinner -Stanford University -Background -Possible role with administration -Council of Economic Advisors DuVal -Views regarding Mexicans Blacks -Future -The President's conversation with Julie Nixon Eisenhower -Black studies program at Smith College -Booker T. Washington -George Washington Carver Mexicans -Compared with Blacks -Compared with Mexican-Americans -Role of family -Guadalajara, Monterey, Cuernavaca -Catholic church -Drugs -Labor Unions -Effect DuVal Peterson 18 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) Council [long-range economic planning] -Views of William P. Rogers, Maurice Stans, Connally, Henry A. Kissinger US future -Kissinger Peterson Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Negotiating ability -Japan -Department of State -Kissinger -Foreign economic policy -Stans -Commerce Department -National Association of Manufacturers [NAM] President's domestic policy -Administration compared with theory -Revenue sharing, government reorganization, education, health, welfare, environment -Politics -Cancer -Response to State of the Union address -Florida, California, Texas, Oklahoma -Economy -Jobs, family income, working Americans -Housing quality -Garages -Bathrooms -National goals -1972 election -Popular expectations of government -State of the Union address -Cost of government -Shultz's work at the Office of Management and Budget [OMB] -Time magazine coverage -Popular opinion -Health -Education -Drugs -Crime 19 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Marijuana Homosexuality -"All In The Family" television show on homosexuality -The President’s view -Archie Bunker -Compared with Jackie Gleason -Son-in-law Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Characters story line -Letter to the President -Issues -The President’s view ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4 [Privacy] [Duration: 14s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4 ********************************************************************** -Television treatment -The President view -Prostitutes -Effect on children -President’s view -US future -Ancient Greece -Aristotle -Socrates -Influence of television -Rome -Last six emperors -Nero -Catholic church -Great Britain -France -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] 20 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -US USSR -Narcotics -Homosexuality US future -Liberals and Communists Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Moynihan, Robert H. Finch, Garment -Television -Effect on children Homosexuality -Current attitudes -Gay liberation -Justin W. Dart's conversation with Ehrlichman -University of Southern California [USC] -San Francisco -Stanford University -Bohemian Grove attendees -The President's response -Hollywood -Pasadena -Decorating and apparel manufacturers -An unknown man -Decorators -Women's fashions Women's fashions -Designers -Hot pants White House staff -Political role -Public relations -Dwight D. Eisenhower's staff -James C. Hagerty -Richard A. Moore, William L. Safire, John A. Scali -Speech writers -The President's November 3, 1969 speech -Children's conference speech -Daughters of the American Revolution [DAR] speech 21 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Chamber of Commerce speech -Staff members -Safire, Raymond K. Price, Patrick J. Buchanan, Noel C. Koch, Moore -Public relations -Importance 1972 campaign -State of the Union Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Importance -Budget -Importance -Legislative initiatives -Congress -Taxes -Ehrlichman's possible meeting -The President, John N. Mitchell, Connally, Shultz -Agenda -White House action Politics -Water -Revenue sharing -Spiro T. Agnew's speeches -Democrats' response -Joseph A. Califano, Jr., government reorganization group -Housewife in Duluth -Democrats ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 1m 12s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6 ********************************************************************** Chicago 22 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Low-income housing -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD] The President's conversation with Connally, May 13, 1971 -Forthcoming vote in Congress on SST [?] Federal budget -Deficit Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger's -Forthcoming press briefing, May 13, 1971 Chicago -Low-income housing program -Federal District Court order -Gatro [?] case -Possible referral to Supreme Court -HUD's actions -Model Cities -Model Neighborhood program -Public relation program -Gatro [?] case -Legal status -HUD actions -Forthcoming mayoral election The President's schedule -Forthcoming meeting on government reorganization -Connally -The President's role -Agenda -Alexander P. Butterfield Richard J. Daley -Effect on Illinois Congressional delegation -Revenue sharing An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:32 am An unknown item for Ehrlichman The unknown person left at an unknown time before 11:33 am 23 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) Daley -Schedule Haldeman left and Richard J. Daley and George P, Shultz entered at 11:33 am; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting Greetings Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) Arrangements for photograph Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:33 am -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins -Washington, D.C. police Bull left at an unknown time before 12:20 pm Opinion Research Corporation [ORC] poll Chicago -The President's conversation with Shultz -Housing -Federal court's order -Problems -Economic classes -Race -Racial composition -Washington, D.C. Public Housing -Racial quotas Chicago -Public housing -Vacancies -Crime -Daley's actions -Condominium -Compared with St. Louis -Shultz's views Public housing 24 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Neighborhoods -Operations -Chicago -Locus of decision-making -Local non-profit organizations -Federal funds -Washington, D.C. neighborhoods -New York City Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -John V. Lindsay, Bert Kramer[?] -Racial quotas -Need for control -Schools -Crime Education -Public -Private -Financing -Citizens' commission -Cardinals John Cody and John Cardinal Krol -Special revenue sharing -Possible congressional response -Importance -The President's schooling -Public -Taxes -Productivity -Voucher program -Experiment -Location (Alrock?, California) -Educational establishment position Narcotics -Chicago's program -Law enforcement personnel -Permissiveness -Reverend Frye[?] in Chicago -Elementary schools -Armed forces Effect on civilian work force -Churches' possible role -Educators 25 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Marijuana -The President's previous conferences in California -A study -Legalization -Compared with alcohol, hard drugs -Study commission -Legalization -Effects Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Treatment centers -Marijuana legalization -Crime -Methadone -Treatment program in Washington, D.C. -Effect -Heroin -Treatment program in Washington, D.C. -Effect -Possible use in Chicago -Black population compared with Chicago Chicago -Police -Morale -Community support -Business, labor -Recruitment -Compensation -Continuing education -Orlando W. Wilson's accomplishments -Revenue sharing -Formula for calculation -Importance -Flexibility in public service uses Veterans -Military discharges -Petitions to Washington -Potential -Employment -Narcotics 26 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -Less-than-honorable discharges -Preference -Prisoner rehabilitation comparison National Economy -Gross National Product [GNP] -Increase -Relation to employment Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Retail sales -Trends -Ford, Sears-Roebuck, Company -Inventories -Extent of change -Unemployment -Shultz's talk in Chicago with business group -Housing -Regional Differences -Chicago, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, West Coast, Los Angeles, New York City, Seattle -Businessmen Chicago -Development -Compared with New York City -Businessmen -Labor -Compared with New York City and Boston -Racial programs Demonstrations -Jerry V. Wilson -Actions -Television response -Support of the President and Mitchell -ORC poll -Washington, D.C. police force -Actions -Questions -Results -Washington, D.C. police handling Intergovernmental relations -California 27 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 9/08) -New York -Agnew -Daley -Shultz -Ehrlichman -The President -Dan Rostenkowski -Shultz Conv. No 498-5 (cont.) -Importance Presentation of gifts by the President -Cuff links -Gift for Daley’s wife Daley's communications with the Administration -Narcotics -Law enforcement -Employment Chicago -Police -The President's support Housing program Ehrlichman, Daley, and Shultz left at 12:20 pm