Conversation: 498-015
Prev: 498-014 Next: 498-016Start Date: 13-May-1971 3:40 PM
End Date: 13-May-1971 4:27 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Beall, J. Glenn, Jr.; White House operator; MacGregor, Clark; Ehrlichman, John D.; Connally, John B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 04:28:31
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 05:11:15
NARA Description:
On May 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, J. Glenn Beall, Jr., White House operator, Clark MacGregor, John D. Ehrlichman, and John B. Connally met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:40 pm to 4:27 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 498-015 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 498-15
Date: May 13, 1971
Time: 3:40 pm - 4:27 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
The President's schedule
-James M. Roche
-Individuals
-Groups
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Roche
The President's schedule
-Individuals
-Groups
Supersonic Transport [SST]
-Gerald R. Ford
-William M. Magruder
-Work in Senate
[The President talked with J. Glenn Beall, Jr. between 3:43 pm and 3:44 pm]
[Conversation No. 495-15A]
[See Conversation No. 3-45]
[One item has been withdrawn from the conversation]
[End of telephone conversation]
SST
-Ford
-Senate
-Magruder's title
[The President talked with the White House operator at 3:46 pm]
[Conversation No. 498-15B]
[See Conversation No. 3-46]
[End of telephone conversation]
-Magruder's location
-St. Croix
SST
-Forthcoming Senate vote
[The President talked with the White House operator at 3:46 pm]
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[Conversation No. 498-15C]
[See Conversation No. 3-47]
[End of telephone conversation]
Magruder
-Location Conv. No. 498-15 (cont.)
-White House operator
-John D. Ehrlichman
Ehrlichman
-Meeting with John N. Mitchell
[Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:46 pm and 3:47 pm]
[Conversation No. 498-15D]
Ehrlichman's schedule
[End of telephone conversation]
[The President talked with Clark MacGregor between 3:47 pm and 3:48 pm]
[Conversation No. 498-15E]
[See Conversation No. 3-48]
[End of telephone conversation]
The President's schedule
-Forthcoming meeting with Edward W. Brooke
-Henry A. Kissinger
-MacGregor
-Charles W. Colson
-MacGregor
-Kissinger
-Colson
John D. Ehrlichman entered at 3:49 pm
National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
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-Apollo program
-A meeting, May 12, 1971
-Budget
-Nuclear Engine for Rocket Vehicle Application [NERVA]
-Space shuttle
-Priorities
-Apollo program
-Research and development Conv. No. 498-15 (cont.)
-Funds, mission, name
MacGregor entered at 3:50 pm
SST
-The President's previous attempt to call Magruder
-The President's conversation with John B. Connally
-Connally's forthcoming conversations
-John V. Tunney, Alan Cranston, David H. Gambrell, Clinton P.
Anderson, unknown Floridan [Lawton M. Chiles, Jr.?], Lloyd
Bentsen
-Gambrell's views
-The President's conversation with George Meany, May 12, 1971
-Meany's location
-Forthcoming Senate vote
-Lockheed
-Connally
-Boeing
-Daniel J. Evans
-Ehrlichman's attempted meeting with chairman, May 12, 1971
-Jobs, profits
[John B. Connally talked with the President between 3:52 pm and 3:53 pm]
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2m 35s ]
[Conversation No. 498-15F]
Conv. No. 498-15 (cont.)
[See Conversation No. 3-49]
[One item has been withdrawn from the conversation]
[End of telephone conversation]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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SST
-Forthcoming Senate vote
-Republicans
-Issue
-The President's conversation with James L. Buckley
-Environment
-Clifford P. Hansen, Jack P. Miller, Winston L. Prouty, Lowell P. Weicker, Jr.
-The President's conversation with Hansen
-Miller
-The President's conversation with Hansen
-Costs of termination
-Effect in House
-Lockheed
-Boeing
-Magruder's conversations
-Thornton ("T.") Wilson
-Lowell Mickelwait
-Statement after House vote
-Evans' statement
-Jobs
-Efforts of Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson and Warren G. (“Maggie”) Magnuson
-Ehrlichman's forthcoming call to Evans
-Forthcoming Senate vote
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-Boeing
-Termination costs
-Magruder's agreement with Wilson
-Unemployment in Seattle
-Newspapers position
-Timing
-Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield, Hugh Scott
-William Proxmire's view Conv. No. 498-15 (cont.)
-Senators
-Popular opinion
-Effect on Senators
-Considerations
-Senate Appropriations Committee action
U.S. troops in Europe
-Mansfield's view
SST
-Forthcoming Senate vote
-Business Council's possible actions
-Ehrlichman's forthcoming call to Peter M. Flanigan
-Telegrams
-Meetings at Hot Springs
-Roche
-Labor's possible action
-Colson
-Meany
-Telegrams from labor
-Lockheed
-Future
-Connally
-Magruder’s role
-MacGregor's forthcoming meeting with Connally
-Connally
-Commitments by senators
-Hansen's experience
Forthcoming Senate vote
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Situation
-George W. Ball
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SST
-Forthcoming Senate vote
-Commitments
-Buckley
-Bentsen
-Connally's efforts
Forthcoming Senate vote on NATO Conv. No. 498-15 (cont.)
-MacGregor's efforts
-NATO council statement distribution
-Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR]
-European efforts
-Spending
-MBFR
-Compare to Vietnam War
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-MacGregor's schedule
-Possible meeting with Ford
-Lunch
-List of Senators
-Copies
-Mansfield Amendment [?]
-A meeting
-Ball
-List of senators
MacGregor left at 4:11 pm
Connally's schedule
-European trip
-Possible May 25, 1971 briefing in Birmingham, Alabama
-Reorganization
-European trip
-Possible Alabama briefing
-Paul W. McCracken
-Ehrlichman
-George W. Romney, Elliot L. Richardson, Robert H. Finch, Donald H.
Rumsfeld
-Mitchell
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Florida trip
-Lyndon B. Johnson Library trip with the President
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-Florida trip
-Connally
-Idanell B. (“Nellie”) Connally
-Accommodations
-Possible Alabama briefing
-Congressional testimony
The President's schedule Conv. No. 498-15 (cont.)
-Florida trip
-George A. Smathers
-Johnson Library trip
Connally
The President's schedule
-Florida
-Possible press announcements
-Johnson Library
-Florida
-Possible press announcements, radio address
-Red Cross
-Interview with ten business magazines
-Maurice H. Stans dinner
Fortune magazine
-Forthcoming article on George P. Shultz
-Arthur F. Burns
-Interview with Time magazine reporter
-Shultz's meeting with businessmen in New York City
-Shultz
Burns
International monetary situation
-Burns
-Connally
-Paul A. Volcker
Shultz
-Forthcoming Fortune article
-Burns
-Motives
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Connally
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS] investigation of unknown
people's income tax returns
-John S. Nolan's appointment
H. Ross Perot
-Bargain with administration over third largest brokerage house
Conv. No. 498-15 (cont.)
New IRS head
-Johnnie M. Walters
-Mitchell
-Nolan
-Roger Bersh [?]
-Views regarding Nolan
-Edwin S. Cohen
-Walters
-Ehrlichman's forthcoming conversation with Mitchell
-Requirements
-Investigations
-Nolan
-Ronald W. Reagan in California
-John J. Rhodes
-Democrats
-Law
-The President's experience
-Kennedy [John F. or Robert F.?]
-Finch
-Requirements
-Walters
-Richard G. Kleindienst
-Kleindienst
International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
-Kleindienst's deal regarding anti-trust action
-ITT and Hartford
-ITT and Grinnell
-Timing
-Harold S. Geneen
-Possible campaign contribution
-Kleindienst's contact on ITT board
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-Herbert W. Kalmbach
-Possible campaign finance law
-Effect
SST
-Ford's efforts in House
-Importance
-Jobs Conv. No. 498-15 (cont.)
-Termination costs
-Boeing
-Possible future administration action
-Magruder
-Location
-Virgin Islands
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Privacy]
[Duration: 17s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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Connally's schedule
-Possible Alabama briefing, meeting with the President, congressional testimony
Haldeman and Ehrlichman left at 4:27 pm