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Start Date: 28-May-1971 9:12 AM

End Date: 28-May-1971 11:04 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")White House operator[Unknown person(s)]Hoover, J. EdgarZiegler, Ronald L.Ehrlichman, John D.Kissinger, Henry A.Mills, Wilbur D.Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 04:16:58

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 05:58:54

505a.mp3

505b.mp3

505c.mp3

505d.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, unknown person(s), J. Edgar Hoover, Ronald L. Ziegler, John D. Ehrlichman, Henry A. Kissinger, Wilbur D. Mills, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:12 am and 11:04 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 505-018 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 505-18

Date: May 28, 1971
Time: Unknown between 9:12 am and 11:04 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1                                            Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)

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[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:12 am and
9:16 am]

[Conversation No. 505-18A]

[See Conversation No. 3-167]

[End of telephone conversation]


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The White House operator talked with the President at 9:16 am.

[Conversation No. 505-18B]

[See Conversation No. 3-168]

[End of telephone conversation]
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     Wiretapping and surveillance
          -Use
          -Edward M. Kennedy
          -Compared with hiring researchers
          -Edmund S. Muskie
          -Kennedy
               -Coverage
          -Chapman’s friend                                     Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:16 am.

     Refreshments

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 9:34 am.

     Wiretapping and surveillance
          -1962 experience
               -F. Donald Nixon
               -President's house
          -Charles W. Colson
          -John J. ("Jack") Caulfield
          -Kennedy
          -Muskie
          -Hubert H. Humphrey
          -Purpose
               -Scandal
          -Clark R. Mollenhoff

     Press conference
           -Timing
                 -June 1, 1971
           -President's schedule

     President's schedule
          -Memorial Day
                 -Camp David
                 -Tomb of unknown soldier

     Gallup Poll
          -David R. Derge
                -Unknown question
                -Partisan line
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Public relations
     -Goals
     -Slogans
            -Richard A. Moore
            -William L. Safire
            -Cliff Miller
                  -Relations with Moore and John A. Scali   Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
                  -Ronald L. Ziegler
                  -Colson
            -Democrats
                  -New Deal
                  -Fair Deal
                  -Great Society
                  -New Frontier
            -Republicans
                  -Open Door
                  -Generation of Peace, Revolution
            -Importance
                  -John D. Ehrlichman
            -Political

Leon Panetta
     -Book
          -Robert Finch
               -Difficulties
               -Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP]

Richard V. (“Dick”) Allen

Patrick J. Buchanan
      -Forthcoming talk with Haldeman
      -Conservative
            -Jeffry Bull
      -Talk with Kevin P. Phillips
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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[Duration: 2m ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3                                            Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)

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[The President talked with J. Edgar Hoover between 9:34 am and 9:43 am]

[Conversation No. 505-18C]

[See Conversation No. 3-169]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Hoover
         -Understanding of publicity

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 9:43 am.

     Announcement of forthcoming press conference
         -Timing
              -June 1, 1971
         -Ziegler's talk with William H. Carruthers and Mark I. Goode
         -Time of day
              -Audience
              -Ratings
              -Network suggestion

[The President talked with John D. Ehrlichman between 9:45 am and 9:49 am]

[Conversation No. 505-18D]

[See Conversation No. 3-170]

[End of telephone conversation]
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     Drugs
          -Administration awareness of problem
          -Veterans
          -Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld
               -Report
          -Hippies
               -Travel
                                                               Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
Henry A. Kissinger entered at an unknown time after 9:49 am.


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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     Press conference

     Drugs
          -Veterans
                -Program
          -Youth
                -Location
          -Veterans
          -Upper middle class
          -William B. Saxbe
          -Congressmen
          -Upper middle class

     Vietnam
          -Harvard professors
               -Children
                    -Percentage serving and killed
          -Saxbe
               -Congressmen
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                      -Wounded in Vietnam
          -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
                -Navy
          -Military service
          -Yale University commencement speaker
                -1970 comments
                -William F. Buckley's research
                      -Number killed                             Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)

Ziegler left at an unknown time before 10:06 am.

     Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
         -Kissinger's talk with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
         -Gerard C. Smith
               -Cable
               -Vladimir F. Semenov
                     -[Forename unknown] Gardiner [sp?]
               -Change in USSR statement
               -Dobrynin
                     -Talk with the President
                     -Gardiner
                     -Unhappiness of USSR delegation
         -USSR establishment
         -Leonid I. Brezhnev
         -Kissinger's call to Dobrynin
         -Dobrynin's call to Kissinger
               -Instructions
               -Smith
               -Statement

     Vietnam
          -Xuan Thuy
               -Proposal
                    -Ceasefire deadline

     Kissinger’s schedule

     President's schedule
          -Luis A. Ferre
          -William D. Mills [?]
                 -President's forthcoming meeting
                       -Presentation
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                    -Pictures

    William P. Rogers
         -President's conversation of May 28, 1971
               -Leak
               -Anwar el-Sadat
               -Leak
                     -Marshall Green                                  Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
                     -Rogers


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                    -Green
                         -Leak
                              -Reason
                         -People's Republic of China [PRC]

    PRC
          -Polls
                -Forthcoming poll
                -Louis P. Harris poll
                     -Wording
                           -Admission into United Nations [UN]
                           -Dual representation
                                 -PRC and Taiwan, Republic of China
                                      -Population
                -Charles W. Colson and Harris
                     -Flyer
                -Relations with PRC
                     -Questions
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[The President spoke with an unknown person at an unknown time between 9:49 am and 10:06
am.]

[Conversation No. 505-18E]

           -Harris poll
                -Delivery to the President
                                                                  Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
[End of telephone conversation]

           -Negotiations
               -Timing

     Vietnam
          -Xuan Thuy
               -US position

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:49 am.

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:06 am.

           -Negotiations
                -US position
                -Timing
                -US position
                      -Political settlement
           -Nguyen Van Thieu
                -Meeting with the President
                      -Timing
                -North Vietnamese response
                      -Timing
           -Possible South Vietnamese position
                -Tone
                -Norodom Sihanouk
                -David K.E. Bruce
                -Ellsworth F. Bunker
                -Cambodia
                      -Settlement

     PRC
           -Harris poll
           -Size
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           -Question on admission of PRC to United Nations
           -Difference between 1968 and 1971 polls
           -Timing of 1971 poll
           -Diplomatic recognition
                 -Ambassador
           -Two China policy
                 -1968 compared with 1971 polls
           -Harris poll compared with White House polls           Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
                 -Wording of questions
           -Geographic breakdown
                 -Midwest
                 -South
           -Age groups
           -Voters
                 -Hubert H. Humphrey
                 -The President
                 -George C. Wallace
           -White House poll
           -PRC
                 -Initiative
                 -Communists
                 -Table tennis team
                        -Visit
                 -US recognition
                        -Importance of communication
           -Publication
                 -State Department
                 -Timing
                 -Release
           -UN vote
                 -Two China policy
                        -US position
                        -Public opinion

Haldeman left at 10:06 am.

Mills entered at 10:07 am.
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MEMBERS OF THE PRESS ENTERED AT AN UNKNOWN TIME AFTER
                                                 Conv. No.
                                                       10:07
                                                           505-18
                                                             AM (cont.)

MEMBERS OF THE PRESS LEFT AT AN UNKNOWN TIME BEFORE 10:20 AM


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Mills left at 10:20 am.

     Polls on PRC
           -International interests
           -Domestic interests
           -Effect on domestic situation
           -Harry S. Dent
           -Gallup
                 -Results
           -PRC compared with Vietnam
                 -Effect on US policy

     Foreign trips
          -Two China policy
                -Delay
          -USSR response to summit proposal
                -Timing
          -Release of poll
                -Timing
          -US policy
                -Delay
                -Rogers
                     -Consultation with allies
                -Domestic considerations
          -Peking trip
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               -Timing of announcement
          -Summit with USSR
               -Dobrynin
          -Peking trip
               -Announcement
               -Timing
                     -1972 Elections
                     -Democratic Convention                      Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
                     -Lyndon B. Johnson
                           -1968 bombing pause
                     -Completion of foreign policy initiatives
                           -Date
          -USSR Summit
          -PRC Summit
               -Timing
                     -1972 Election
                     -Democrats
          -Harvard Professor
          -PRC
          -Trips to Peking
               -Opposition leaders
          -USSR Summit
               -Announcement
               -Dobrynin
               -Deadline
                     -Time restrictions
          -China card

Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 10:20 am

          -PRC
                -Timing of reply
          -Peking trip
                -Trip by the President
                -Trip by Kissinger
          -President's trip to Peking
                -Timing
          -Kissinger's secret trip
                -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                -Schedule
                      -Arrangements
                             -Jean Sainteny
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         -Bruce
              -Kissinger's talk
              -Support of the President
              -Dean G. Acheson
              -Attendance on trip
              -Negotiations
         -Unknown person
              -Possible call                                  Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
              -State Department
              -Rogers
              -Negotiations
                    -Prisoners of War [POWs]
              -Foreign Service
                    -Walter P. McConaughy
                    -Taiwan
                    -[David] Kenneth Rush
                          -Berlin


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    GERMANY


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    President’s leadership
         -Foreign policy
               -Clark MacGregor
                     -Comments at staff meeting
                           -PRC and USSR
                           -Senate and foreign policy
                                -J. William Fulbright
               -State Department
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                 -Totalitarianism
                 -Rogers
                 -John Foster Dulles
                       -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                 -Rogers
                 -North Vietnam, PRC, USSR
                 -PRC
                       -Foreign minister                          Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
                             -Chou En-lai
                             -Yeh Chien-ying
                 -Rogers
                 -Andrei A. Gromyko
                       -Press
                       -Manner
                       -Brezhnev
                       -Politburo
     -MacGregor
     -Votes
     -William B. Saxbe
     -John Sherman Cooper
           -Kissinger's attendance at dinner at Marquis Childs’ home
                 -Kennedy Center
           -Statement on Charles McC. Mathias, Jr., amendment
                 -Apology
           -Childs
                 -Article
                       -Strategic Arms Limitations Treaty [SALT]
     -Public
     -MacGregor
           -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield

Henry A. Kissinger's meeting with Dobrynin
    -Semenov
          -Hotline Agreement
          -SALT

Public opinion on foreign initiatives
     -President's conversation on Air Force One
           -Lyndon B. Johnson Library
     -Presidential initiatives
           -Senate
     -Mutuality
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    Kissinger’s relationship with Dobrynin
         -Kennedy Center
               -Dobrynin
               -Llewellyn E. ("Tommy") Thompson, Jr.
         -Summit

    Rogers                                                   Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
        -Compared with Elliot L. Richardson
        -State Department

    Announcement on PRC policy
        -Rogers
        -Domestic considerations
        -USSR
        -Initiative
        -Summit
        -Forthcoming press conference, June 1, 1971
               -Response to possible questions
                    -Consultations with allies
        -President's credibility
               -Press
               -Compared with Lyndon B. Johnson
                    -Budget
               -Public opinion
                    -Polls
               -Press
                    -Kissinger's dinner parties
                    -John W. Chancellor
                    -Laotion operation


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    Foreign policy
         -R. Sargent Shriver comment


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                                                          Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
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         -Democratic administrations
              -PRC
              -Test Ban Treaty
                    -USSR
                    -US interest
                    -Edward Teller
                    -President’s support
                    -USSR interest
                    -Disarmament
              -Cuban missile crisis
              -Berlin Wall
              -Laos
              -Death of Ngo Dinh Diem
         -Nixon administration
              -Vietnam War
              -USSR
              -PRC
         -Humphrey
              -Moratorium on Antiballistic Missile's [ABMs]
              -Multiple Independently-Targetable Reentry Vehicle's [MIRVs]
         -Administration policy
              -Press play
              -Political issue
              -Administration
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    Patrick Cardinal O'Boyle
          -President's telephone calls, May 27, 1971
                -O’Boyle
                -James Cardinal McIntyre
          -Support for the President
                -Vietnam War
          -Washington Post                                    Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
          -Church
          -George Meany

    Vietnam
         -Meany
         -President's policy
               -Senators
               -Demonstrators
               -Press
                     -Frank F. Mankiewicz


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13
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    Vietnam negotiations
         -Memorandum by John A. Scali
              -Kissinger
              -Peace
         -Combat role and peace offer
              -Timing
                   -Thieu
         -North Vietnamese answer
         -Midway meeting with Thieu
              -Press
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          -Announcement
                -Troop withdrawals
                -Thieu
                -Rogers
                -Laird
                -Thieu
                     -Combat role of Army of the Republic of Vietnam [ARVN]
                           -Timing                             Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
          -Press
          -Military withdrawals
                -Timing
          -Thieu
                -US combat role
          -North Vietnamese
                -Peace offer
                     -Meetings
                     -Possible delay
                           -Possible consequences
          -Thieu meeting
                -Timing

Vietnam
     -Press
          -American Broadcasting Company [ABC]
               -Casualties
                     -Colson
                     -Compared with earlier figures
          -Drug problem
          -Casualty figures

Press treatment of administration
      -Report on consumer price index [CPI]
           -Price rise
      -Importance of administration achievements
           -Publicity

Berlin
     -Publicity
     -A leak
     -Summit with USSR
          -Timing
     -Egon Bahr
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           -Invitation to January 1971 moon launch
           -Kissinger
     -Rush
           -SALT
     -Crisis
           -US credit
     -World peace
           -Middle East                                     Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
           -Vietnam
                 -Risk
                       -PRC and USSR
           -Middle East
           -Berlin
     -USSR
           -Berlin
           -Egypt
     -US negotiations with USSR
           -USSR concessions
                 -Document
                       -Wording
                 -Access
                       -German Democratic Republic [GDR]
                       -Harry S. Truman
                       -Franklin D. Roosevelt
     -Kissinger's call to Dobrynin
           -Meeting with Rogers
           -Gromyko
                 -Summit

The President's draft
     -Forthcoming remarks at US Military Academy at West Point, New York, May 29,
          1971
          -John K. Andrews, Jr.
                 -Outline

Arts Council
     -President's remarks
     -Press coverage
     -President's memorandum
           -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                 -Press coverage
                      -Mamie G.D. Eisenhower
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                            -Claudia A. (“Lady Bird”) Johnson
                       -Reception
                            -Press quote of Mrs. Nixon

     President's speech at West Point
          -Kissinger's review

Kissinger left at an unknown time before 10:25 am.               Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)

     Mrs. Nixon
          -Press coverage

     Kissinger's acquaintances

     President's forthcoming trip to West Point
          -Ceremonies
                 -Parade field
                 -Mrs. Nixon
                 -Sabre presentation
          -President's remarks
          -President's review

Ziegler entered at 10:25 am.

     ABC "Issues and Answers"
         -Scali
               -Panel
         -Donald W. Riegle, Jr.
         -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
         -Riegle
               -Previous discussion with the President
                     -Denial of allegation
         -McCloskey
               -William F. Buckley, Jr. interview
         -ABC
               -Ziegler
         -Riegle
               -1968 campaign
               -Michigan

Ziegler left at 10:35 am.
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     West Point visit
          -President's review
                -Departure by helicopter
          -Mess hall
                -Greeting
          -President's remarks
                -Amnesty order
          -Press coverage                                      Conv. No. 505-18 (cont.)
          -Timing
                -Parade
                -Crowd
                -Motorcade
          -Chapel visit
          -Trophy point
          -Superintendent's house
                -Possible reception
                      -Compared with Newport
          -Crowd
          -Chapel

     Birmingham visit
          -Foreign trips
          -Advance work
          -Crowd location
          -Automobile
               -Leaving

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:35 am.

     Meeting with Ferre
          -Length
          -Photograph
          -Puerto Rico

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:04 am.

     Presidential visits
          -Ronald H. Walker
                -Work
          -Alabama
                -Coverage
                -Crowd
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Haldeman left at an unknown time before 11:04 am.