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I'm on the right way.

I'm ready to turn soon.

I would say that last night at that party there were, you know, quite a few, not a lot, some militants.

Everywhere, and from civilians in the last few days.

It was such a shot in the arm to...

These people, everybody's kicking at them, and this was just, this was just, Bert Coffey told me last night that he just keeps hearing, he gets calls everywhere, and not West Pointers, because he's not a West Point guy.

Just how marvelous this was.

Well, the very difference, I'm sure, is we got the same reaction.

The press conference, you know, what I said about the police, you know, the incident, several of those guys were there.

Thank God they asked you that question during the talk.

That's right.

Thank God I didn't throw it at all on those bastards.

That's true.

That's absolutely true.

Absolutely true.

If I had heard this, it would have been true.

It would have been true.

At the scene, it would be possible.

It is not possible.

I think I'm sure.

I think maybe Eddie arrived Wednesday, doesn't he?

We should.

Bunch of crummy people he's gonna have.

I'm sorry.

I'll take it.

Oh, Christ, it's damn hard for people to go to school.

Yeah, but you don't have to go to school.

I stand in line to meet the son's pictures.

Well, I write about that.

You don't write about that.

But you don't have to go to work.

Anyway, a bachelor party is...

I don't go.

Oh, that would be horrible if you would subject yourself to being with those kids.

I've heard that.

It's certainly something that...

She may have, um, you know.

But anyway, um, I, I plan to agree with Sequoia that she's got to keep everything, Pakistan, Tajan, and... Sequoia?

Yeah.

Oh, I mean, I think it's from the war.

I think so.

I think you should go walk down the road to Dallas.

Where they did this.

Yeah.

Okay.

Mrs. Rose has been very successful.

She's just got to work out until she's willing to stay a whole month.

Isn't that great?

I thought she would stay out of your house.

Is she willing to stay in the White House or does she insist on staying out of the shop?

She insists on staying in your house, Bob.

My house is good.

She's not staying with Rose.

Oh, she's not.

I heard this morning.

That's fine.

I heard this morning that my door doesn't open.

If she were her house, the best is best.

We'd be curating forever.

All right.

You've got so many kids that I don't know how good it is.

You've got to care of her.

She outshines all.

Yeah, she'd be loud enough.

I've got a couple that I'm pretty well against her.

I'm sorry.

Oh, we have, uh, have you seen anything?

He's got a cable from Kennedy in Peterson relating to something that Chiang Kai-shek and the Taipei people have raised on the Senkaku Islands and reversion.

Delicate issue of the greatest importance to the Republic of China.

And Henry thinks it's essential that you meet with Pete and himself early this afternoon

And it's something that's going to crank up the decision from you on, or you by you on.

And he's suggesting 2.30, assuming, I think, that you have a clear clock.

If you don't, it's probably 3.00.

That's okay.

Is he having more or no more?

No, more is not here.

He was going to have more at 2.30, and he can't get more, so he was suggesting that time.

That's why he suggested 2.30.

2.30 is fine.

Do I do it better?

Sure.

He doesn't, it doesn't matter to him.

He's still in control.

Okay.

Or maybe 3.00, then it's fine.

Okay.

Just very quickly, two things.

John Ehrman is in a meeting, so I would suggest this directly with you.

Governor Holton, I'm simply saying you talked about revenue sharing and

program.

Did he raise a federal judgeship sign with you in Virginia?

No.

Good.

Okay, fine.

I'm sure you've discussed the question.

There's no discussion, right?

Okay.

Thank God.

I don't think about it anyway.

Well, he's a little embarrassed about the little thing.

I couldn't call people, Ron, to tell them to come in and see the president about checking with us.

I hope the president knows.

Does he know the real story?

He knows.

He told me to come in and play a big shot.

That's a big deal.

Well, what's the story?

Does anybody know?

I don't think the president knows.

Some drunk friend of yours being funny?

No, I have no idea, but they're investigating.

I was with Albert Tassi.

Right.

I just heard it.

No.

OK. On the primary, I was asked about the statement on face recognition.

On the file, you can't get out until you are entering six primaries.

Oh, Christ.

And I said you have to put that remark in the context of the discussion that we're having.

But you should not interpret it as the fact that the president has developed any strategy or posture in terms of the upcoming primaries.

It's far too soon to discuss those things.

That's the right posture you should take.

So I don't comment.

The President, I just don't comment on any kind of political speculation.

Bob Mustard said, was it his name that Dean knows?

He said he can't keep it up.

But of course he can.

Why don't you just say that?

That's a very good way to molest him.

That's what I did.

I'm talking entirely different.

Just say, well, what copies do you have?

There are six states in which the names automatically go on the ballot without regard to any decision that is made, unless a negative decision is made.

And I suppose that's what you're referring to.

That's what I'd say.

But the president made the decision that he's going to have to make that decision.

He'll make it improperly.

After the meeting and he read a statement and Stassi stood up there and

He said, what was the purpose he was asking the meeting?

Well, we wanted to come and talk to the president about the housing matter.

And he said, I would have told him, as we wanted to tell the president, job well done.

We appreciate very much his efforts.

So he really did a good job.

Refer to the number of housing starts, interest rates, and use your quote.

Secretary Romney referred to your quote that housing is vital to the economy and that the interest rates should be kept at a level that people, you know, can.

Interest rate, FHA, flexibility.

It's quite a great time to keep learning about this business.

All right.

Okay, we're cut along for the time.

Finch does recommend that you see Wine River on the part of the center of the site.

And Shelton's race is a question of, you had asked me to talk with Milton Friedman about it.

I want to see him.

It's 5 o'clock today.

I need to go off a little bit.

I'm going to go over and get ready for those pictures.

All right.

I want to meet him after 5.

All right.

Friedman isn't here today, but he'll be here tomorrow.

I'll see him.

All right.

Good half hour.

All right.

Sure.

Just got some cracking signs that it went through.

Shelts and more shelves.

Okay.

I don't need to go beyond that.

Better not to.

If you get any more than that, you aren't going to get much.

No, maybe they were going to do well.

Maybe we were going too far.

You will see the others anyway.

Let's keep it small.

Just jokes.

And that's enough.

Don't add any sad people.

Don't add anyone that gets nervous.

I know those people.

I think it's just a little compliment to have more pure people.

Okay.

Henry asked me to raise with you, because he doesn't want to do it without the assurances of the Council of the Court.

No, that's fine.

I was getting to Roger's question.

He says there are a number of cables coming in, one specifically from Burgas, where Burgas refers to Sadat's offer to remove Soviet forces from Egypt.

And that raises in Henry's mind the question,

First of all, what was it that you sent to Rogers by military aid last week?

Remember, Henry was in here when you were on the phone to Rogers and said, I'm sending over my military messenger.

And secondly, do you have Rogers conducting secret negotiations with Sadat?

Kissinger doesn't know about it.

No.

He says, if we've got anything going, he's all for it.

No, there's nothing that we can get, and he would like to know what the quid pro quo is, because that would certainly help us.

There's no progress as far as I know.

I don't need to cover that.

Let's ignore that and just say, I don't have to cover the specific questions.

Let's go back and say that...

He's got his game after you play it his way, and sometimes you play it the other way, too, you know.

And I go to talk to him.

Talk to him, there's nothing, and then at the end of it, Rogers had nothing recorded, so it hasn't appeared as soon as it does, I don't know.

I'm gonna screw the thing up, you see.

All you gotta do is get Henry involved in that one.

It'd be obvious to any counter-play.

Bob, look, you can't tell Henry anything on the minute, you see, he isn't gonna tell him anything.

Now just don't kick yourself.

He's going to tell them.

The rabbinic goes and tells the Jews.

The Jews screw it up.

What happened?

You're not going to allow that Burgess did the back channel or something and something came in on the front channel cable so anybody saw it that it was cryptic, you know, and resent that.

Nothing.

Nothing at all.

I don't know anything about it.

Not any Bill Lowe at the White House sometimes.

No.

Want to steer clear of that?

No, sir.

It looks like a straight...

He's been to the White House as a guest.

Hasn't he?

I'm not so sure.

Well, I can see him here as a guest.

I don't mind having him as a guest, but I don't want him by himself.

We were... Well, we were...

On a general question, what's the answer?

Well, the general pattern was we were wondering about getting some New Hampshire people into the White House.

Obviously, you don't want to go to New Hampshire, but if we could scatter, you know, a key leader type from New Hampshire into a function once in a while.

A function?

I don't want to.

That's what I mean.

Open church service or a dinner break, you know, something like that.

And also, whether we ought not to have Bill Lowe invited to sign.

Yeah, fine, but I don't want to have Bill... No, sir.

Absolutely.

Oh, I'm all for it.

Using the social functions.

Sure, sure.

The social functions should be used for all of our initiatives.

Getting the key people from New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and start on that damn thing.

But Lowe, particularly, I don't, you know, he's, I don't, it's a question, but I don't see any reason not to have the Hoffa thing settled now, so that... Have you got that?

He's our friend?

Yeah.

Okay.

I want to know.

He's our friend.

Good old turkey.

You had asked about the cartoon collection.

We have on it.

Sure.

About 650 original... No, they're doing it.

We have a fixed program of getting about 30 a month.

And what I've had is that they're doing it on the basis of selecting the good ones, rather than just reacting to those.

And we don't get all cartoons, obviously.

We don't want too many.

Well, you could in any one, because it would look like .

Well, what the hell are you going to do with them?

What about 18,000 folks?

Most of the favorable ones and balanced ones in the universe.

That's right.

You get unfavorable if they're well done.

That's right.

Thanks for that.

We've got a lot of unfavorable ones on Haynesworth and Carswell, for instance.

Yeah.

Is that some favorable ones?

We haven't gotten that one or two.

So, uh, can we thank them?

Always.

That's... One, two, five.

The way to get them to run it if we want to take a stab at it is to have a showing.

Have you looked at it sometime with Jessamyn West there or something like that, where we let it out that you saw it, then the President's family viewed it at San Clemente sometime or something like that?

Why don't we show them the catalog that night?

Why wouldn't that be the show?

Ask, first call her out a bit and see how many had seen it.

You're gonna find there's probably a lot happening, if you'd like to see it.

And, uh, you know, sexy people, you only get sexy when they see your name.

Well, if you showed the damn thing, put it on, can't they, can't they put up a screen and show it up, uh, with a name?

Let me see.

Create another room.

Let me see.

That's an idea.

Yeah.

That'd be a way to show it.

Oh, it may use something.

How's the broadcasting?

Good.

It's good.

The corporation which funds it has 15 members.

We only appointed three of them.

We're getting one more.

We have a pipeline to our people on the board, and we can handle things through the board.

They're pushing for permanent government funding.

Under the interim setup, they're funded year by year.

you know, any kind of thing we want to do.

The legislation's going to funnel more of the money to the local stations independent of the network.

We can kill the legislation and kill it and end them up with PBS getting killed.

Well, this is the thing that does that.

Yeah.

Kill it.

They do the programming.

All right.

Kill it.

Now, we're going to the local stations.

and getting in on the specific PBS program.

Oh, yeah, that's the deficit.

I want the legislation to kill.

It's a waste of money to do that.

Okay, that's thought.

I have no, nothing at all.

I don't think it's worth a damn.

I see nothing for the future.

They've, uh, I had these bastards in there two years ago and they said it wouldn't do anything.

That's the only effective way to do it.

And it went worse and worse and worse.

The only effective way to do it is that the law forbids, of course, outside interference in the program.

All right.

It's going to be killed.

Now, that's one that I really want done.

How can we get it done without getting caught?

Frank, what do you mean?

Something like that?

Probably.

Fine.

It's a waste of money.

It's a waste of money, so let's kill it.

I'm pretty sure you've got something to do with it.

And killed a goddamn man.

But I don't want to find out something.

You understand?

It's one of those things.

Then they can't prove it, got it?

Yeah.

Say, I don't know.

Isn't that typical of the kind of things we really want to get at?

Something's going on at the house, and I tell you, they can't take the attention.

They can't.

He has two tables tonight, one of 14, which is an old sort of major Fred Roy, somebody from World War I.

And Congressman Paul Rogers has a table of eight.

He's a nice guy.

A table in that room, in the corner, or they'll set it up in the library for you to have it perfectly priced.

I'll be back.

I love you.

And anytime you want, you know... You call Pat.

All right.

And see if she and Jim and Patricia would like to go.

If they don't, drop it.

All right.

Okay.

I'm going to be going early anyway.

Sir, you're still about to get there around 7.

7, yeah.

You know...

It's a funny thing that they, I mean, they, she got her, she's coming to the rehearsal dinner.

And I guess the reason was Eddie Topps was having some godfathers or something.

So we had to have somebody, so they picked Elaine and Jack.

And actually, on the other side, they picked me, because he was having free, and maybe he's fine.

But, you know, look what it does to, look what it does to Don, Eddie, and Ronnie, and so on.

pitch on wheels.

Nothing to do about it.

I'll tell you, I decided to tell her that we just were going to be filled up on the name.

It's just the house is not adequate to take care of her.

But we have.

And I think if it would be good, though, to have Rose go up with me.

So we've got some, we're going to let you go home, uh, uh, Rose.

And we've got to say that we're going to go to Rochester to drive you.

Well, sir, you could say that you could change it, but you could say you've got to go to Rochester on Friday, and you're going to Maine for your anniversary.

That's what you want.

And then, unless you're not having a party, and then you have to go to a different city for the AMA.

Because you were keeping it so you can, if you want to, say,

Stay in Maine and just go to Atlantic City on Tuesday.

Or you can come back Sunday night.

Sure, I know, but don't worry about it.

It's the smallest of our... We want to... Peterson will want to give you a chance on that.

In order to get you a chance to have a voluntary tax report.

See, that's part of the play in order to be able to pull so much in hand.

Henry doesn't want to give you a chance on that.

Because I think Peter said that Henry ran agreement.

It's Kennedy's.

He wants to do something.

Oh, I see.

I should have their agreement.

I'll do what they want.

Kennedy doesn't know anything.

You don't want to meet knowing about the other big game, but I'll see if any of that's good.

I think Peter signed an agreement.

Is that it?

Yeah.

Sorry.

The computer broke.

You understand what I'm saying?

Yeah, a little bit.

And also, you've got the marijuana down there.

Legalized marijuana.

Demonstration of awareness of assault.

Assault.

I think it was the word salt.

Yeah, we use salt, and then we use simply our instrumentation.

We use both.

I want to do, we want to get one question on that, just to salt painting, to, you know, what salt is.

Everybody is now becoming aware of it.

The White House, this area, the stuff that passed on the second floor, some people stand up and leave the door open, used to.

Oh, God, my Johnson's, and she's getting credit for it, which is a great thing.

Yeah, I saw the story, the story, it was just superb.

And, uh...

She was concerned that they didn't mention the fact that I got money for the yard.

I said, let's forget it.

We got our best story.

A lot of people don't want money for the yard.

That's a different story anyway.

Different story.

Of course.

Her story was a great history.

Written well.

2.30.

3 o'clock.

Written well and so forth.

He just, he thinks he's dominated the Sunday papers.

He will next Sunday.

He sure as hell will.

That's not why they've made a name for him.

Remember that ex-marker.

I want to be tough.

She's locked out, arrested, no question.

at the secret service all the time.

You know, the church service, I've already said it.

Washington Post just hanged it.

Well, we do that meditation on it, you know.

Good.

I'm not going to have any of this.

God, that horrible bastard gets that all the time.

Never that.

Did they know that it was a little embarrassing?

Oh, yeah.

Ron Proctor.

Yeah.

I understand.

A lot of people don't give a damn.

They say, well, we're trying to control the hairstyles of our reporters.

And the answer is yes.

I don't mind the hairstyles.

That wasn't what it was about.

The son of a bitch came there in an old shirt with yellow dirt pants.

Well, then he didn't care what he called.

Well, he comes sometimes and comes in with long hair.

Then they come in and buy some hair.

I mean, one day I'm going to try to stop that.

That doesn't bother me.

But they come in looking decent.

They've only got to wear clothes for a good time.

You should have come to the White House on a file.

That's right.

I absolutely did.

Kids, a lot of them don't understand it, but I don't understand it.

The hell with the kids.

They can just throw out.

Well, that's the rule.

That's the rule.

They have the right to come to the White House anyway.

That's right.

They don't have a right.

It's a privilege.

They don't have enough in the water.

You're right.

And we've done these films well, and I think we've come along with the others.

While this is being done in a very good way, we're getting the publicity, but we're getting it gradually, and as if it were being sort of drawn out like that, I'll hand it to you, sir.

I thought that was good, and I thought it makes sense.

Yeah, that's totally fine.

Well, this is kind of just our idea to write what we have.

And frankly, it was untrue that he made you look good.

You know, somebody don't forget that they sure don't, they sure don't, they don't try much, at least.

Or maybe they try and don't get it through.

Most of them really are concerned about making themselves look good.

You know, I'd be very hard-working if it wasn't me.

Now listen, I understand her.

There's, if there's, you don't need them to sell you.

The President was painting in the mid-1800s and all these things, and trying to get the election out.

There's nothing happened at all.

The only thing that we don't think about is that we're not supposed to see burgers.

Tell us about that.

That's came true.

There's nothing for burgers.

We've got nothing.

I'm not saying anything.

The table's clear.

What kind of a message did I say?

Just say it was personal.

If you want to ask my conversation, I know what it was.

What happened?

Thank God it should be done.

It's one thing.

Harry should be just out of his mind to get into this stuff.

He just must have made all the changes.

He's doing a great, great job.

He must stay out of the minis.

I think he will.

He must stay out because he's suspect here.

And also, he does have a box.

Plus the fact that he's got, he's got three of the biggest balls that have ever been bounced in here now.

But the fact that you don't have the street department do something.

Well, that's the reason that I don't like to get into this kind of stuff.

Ecuadorian tuna boats, and aid Africa, and all of these things.

India, Pakistan were in only because of that special problem.

Otherwise, I'd stay the hell out of that.

Working with, I mean, an awful lot of things, Bob, that are pretty weird.

It's best to just tell the cabin officer he's the boss and the back cop.

I think Conley responds to that treatment, doesn't he?

I think they all do.

He certainly does.

I thought about it.

I didn't know how to deal with your man.

For example, I've given Conley the lead role, and I've actually monitored that.

Now, the thing here you've got to understand, I've accelerated what you've said, it must be Conley and not Peterson.

Peterson's trade is everything else, but international monetary trading is treasury.

I told him to consult Peterson and consult McCracken and all the rest.

See, McCracken came into this long time ago, a very good listener, matter of fact, suggesting that we convene the Council of International Economic Colleges to discuss the purpose of discussing international monetary trading.

That's no good.

I wrote a memorandum here, you see it up there.

I wrote on the thing and covered my whole views.

My point is, first of all, look who it brings.

It brings in horror.

It brings in stand.

It brings in hearts.

God, most of them don't know their ass first piece about this.

See, you don't want to get them into it.

I don't want to get them into it.

What I want to do is, so I said, no, Conley is the leading man.

He is the consoler of the beauty of the practice.

and give me a recommendation.

Let them tell me what the hell to do.

In other words, I've got to have guys who are basically your assistant presidents and things like this, who will say, all right, President Cantor, this one thing, you have to determine it.

Now, too many of these guys come and say, this is something you've got to know, something you've got to decide.

I'll decide if it affects other independent spots.

I want a couple of adults willing to take the responsibility to step up to it and do the job.

Now Richardson doesn't quite do it, but some of the others do.

But this is the part I want you to do.

I want you to talk to your fellow domestic counsel.

It hurts them very strongly.

Keep it out there in the department.

Now, let them decide.

Let them make the mistakes.

Don't bring it in here.

I've got to be certain that they're not parroting section 274.

I don't know whether it could be, maybe it could be 90.

Huh?

But I think the tendency is that it's sort of a dependency tendency that people would make.

Now, it is.

Isn't that it?

They think, well, gee, I've got to go ask the president before I do something.

I hope none of you big men grow up naked.

I want to tell some of them, because I could do one.

That's right.

They've got one I was going to push just that way.

They've got one where they want to bring Shelton to the Attorney General and discuss the cyclone indemnification issue with you.

No!

Please, just take care of our friends.

That's all an controversial matter.

Take care of our friends.

The problem is that these things go the wrong way.

The standards for them, you know, the standards.

That's the only way we've got to go.

Absolutely.

And, uh, how about you?