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Conversation: 513-004

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Start Date: 7-Jun-1971 3:23 PM

End Date: 7-Jun-1971 4:10 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Woods, Rose MaryPeterson, Peter G.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:45:35

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:00:18

513a.mp3

513b.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, Peter G. Peterson, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:23 pm to 4:10 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 513-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 513-4

Date: June 7, 1971
Time: 3:23 pm - 4:10 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods

     President’s schedule
          -Dinner
                -Robert H. and Carol (Crothers) Finch
                -Woods
                -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -Location
          -Menu

Woods left and Peter G. Peterson and Henry A. Kissinger entered at 3:26 pm

     Peterson memo
          -Taiwan
          -David M. Kennedy’s view
          -Kissinger’s view

     Okinawa reversion


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 4s ]


     FOREIGN RELATIONS


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         -Senkaku Islands
               -U. Alexis Johnson
               -Sovereignty question
                     -Formal Okinawa reversion timing
               -Japanese drawbacks
                     -William P. Rogers and [Forename unknown] Oichi
               -Effect on Taiwan relations
                     -Textile negotiations                           Conv. No. 513-4 (cont.)
               -Taiwan requests
                     -Defense aid
                           -Melvin R. Laird trip
               -United States’ goals
               -Effect on People’s Republic of China [PRC] relations
               -Effect on Japanese relations
         -Textile people concern
               -Roger Milliken’s view
               -Wilbur D. Mills’ view
                     -Criticism of Administration
         -Island issue
               -Taiwan
                     -Military aid
                     -Textile negotiations
               -Military program
                     -Perception by other parties
                           -Congressional reaction
                     -Announcement


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[National Security]
[Duration: 20s ]


    COMMUNICATIONS


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           -Impact of textile question
                -Specific proposals
                      -Announcement
                -Use of Laird trip
                -Military equipment trade
                      -Offensive, defensive question
                -Congress                                        Conv. No. 513-4 (cont.)
                      -Milliken
                -Postponement of action
                -Reaction of Japanese
                -Automobile question
                -Okinawa
           -Okinawa versus trade
                -Automobile question
                -US action
           -Senkaku Island question
                -Germination
                      -Charles [?] visit to President
                      -History of islands
                             -Post-World War II era
                -Japanese concern
                -History of Chinese involvement
                -Timing of raising issue
                      -Perception by Japanese
                -Perception in United States
           -Automobiles
           -Textile question
                -Future action
           -Nationalist Chinese desires
                -Laird
                -Military representative trip to Taiwan
                      -Timing
                -Textiles

     Kissinger’s schedule
          -Upcoming meeting with Cambodian

Kissinger left at 3:48 pm

     Textile issue
          -Timing
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     -Negotiations
          -Congress
          -Status
     -Industry role
          -Milliken
          -Hong Kong
          -[South] Korea
          -Quotas                                             Conv. No. 513-4 (cont.)
     -Quota bill
          -Bryce N. Harlow
          -Mills’ thinking
          -Textile industry’s view
          -Agricultural quotas
          -Prospects for passage
          -Labor view
                 -Support
          -Opposition
                 -Industry
                 -Farmers
                 -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
                 -International
          -Growing sentiment
                 -Effect on consumer
                 -Effect on Europe
                       -Peterson’s study
                             -Agriculture
                                  -European reaction

Peterson’s bipartisan Congressional briefing, June 8
     -Purpose
           -Long-range concerns
           -Administration strategy
           -Congressional support
     -Points
           -President’s role in trade
                 -John B. Connally role
           -Energy program
                 -Benefits
                       -Employment
                       -Exports
                       -Environment
                       -Water control
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         -Research and Development
              -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA] role
     -NASA budget
         -Cutbacks
              -Results

Goals versus action
     -Previous dinner meeting                                Conv. No. 513-4 (cont.)
          -John D. Ehrlichman
          -George P. Shultz
     -Long range planning

Planning proposals
     -Shultz, Ehrlichman
     -Roy L. Ash
     -Ben W. Heineman [?]
     -Domestic Council
     -Committee formats

Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board Meeting
     -Dr. Edwin H. Land’s argument
           -Intelligence
     -Detente
           -Future relations with Soviet Union and PRC
           -European role
           -Arms control
                 -Verification
                       -Land’s viewpoint
                       -Kelly Johnson

Technological innovations
    -Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.
    -US technology role
          -History of technology
          -Peterson, Ehrlichman, Shultz directives
                -Content
                     -Attitude toward science
          -Industry view
                -Robert H. Abplanalp
                -Conservatism
                     -Colgate-Palmolive
    -Need for technological innovation
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-Government encouragement
      -David
      -National Science Foundation [NSF]
      -Land’s view
      -Presidential support
-William P. Lear
-John C. Whitaker
      -Department of Transportation [DOT]              Conv. No. 513-4 (cont.)
-National Science Board
      -David
-Peterson/Land meeting
-Need
      -Peterson, Land meeting
            -Ehrlichman
            -Quantity versus quality on technology
-History of scientific contact with government
      -Land
      -U-2 development
            -K. Johnson
            -Edward M. Purcell
      -Need for first rate minds
      -Lyndon B. Johnson Administration
            -Problem of war
            -Scientists
      -President’s opening of the world
            -PRC
            -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
            -Use of technology for peaceful purposes
      -Scientists
            -David
            -Lear
            -Land
      -Bureaucratic impediments
            -Soviet Union
      -Peterson/Ehrlichman/Shultz/David effort
      -Use of money in US
            -Educational programs
      -Energy program
            -Popular fears of nuclear reactors
            -Political problems of nuclear power
                  -Coal, oil, natural gas concern
            -Breeder reactor
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                       -Fusion work
                       -Glenn T. Seaborg effort
                       -Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]
                       -”Atoms for peace”
           -Land’s success
                 -Reasons
                 -Eastman Kodak
           -Medicine                                            Conv. No. 513-4 (cont.)
           -Intelligence
                 -Problems
           -”Greatness” as technological innovation
           -Land’s idea
                 -Ehrlichman
           -Lack of great minds in Washington
           -Discovery of “new worlds”
           -”Great minds” and innovation
                 -K. Johnson
                 -Background
                       -John F. Kennedy
                       -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                       -Mutual understanding
           -Post-Vietnam world
                 -Need for US ascendance
                 -PRC strength
           -Agriculture
                 -Nobel Prize winner [Name unknown]
           -Use of available resources
                 -Agricultural field
                       -Cooperative Extension Service
                       -Land grant colleges
           -Sources of Invention
                 -Content
                       -Chester F. Carlson efforts
                            -Xerox
                       -Land’s efforts
           -Peterson, Ehrlichman, Shultz roles

     Bipartisan Congressional briefing
          -Location
                -Blair House

Peterson left at 4:10 pm
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