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Start Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1971 1:14 PM
End Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1971 2:12 PM
Participants:Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Ehrlichman, John D.; Kissinger, Henry A.; Albert, Carl B.; White House operator; [Unknown person(s)]; MacGregor, Clark; Bull, Stephen B.;
Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 04:49:40
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 05:39:32
On June 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, unknown person(s) [Michael J. ("Mike") Mansfield's secretary], Henry A. Kissinger, Carl B. Albert, White House operator, unknown person(s), Clark MacGregor, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:14 am to 10:12 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 527-016 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 527-16 Date: June 23, 1971 Time: 9:14 am - 10:12 am Location: Oval Office The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman. Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield breakfast -John D. Ehrlichman -Mansfield -Aid to President -Henry A. Kissinger [The President talked with Ehrlichman at an unknown time between 9:14 am and 9:25 am] [Conversation No. 527-16A] Request for presence -Ehrlichman's schedule -Telephone call [The President talked with Senator Mansfield's secretary between 9:22 am and 9:25 am] [Conversation No. 527-16B] [See Conversation No. 5-133] [End of telephone conversation] Kissinger entered at 9:25 am. 50 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) Vietnam Peace negotiations -North Vietnamese reaction to Clark M. Clifford's statement -National Liberation Front [NLF] statement -Prisoners of War [POW] release Pentagon Papers -Ken Crawford’s conversation with Lyndon B. Johnson -Newsweek coverage Conv. No. 527-16 (cont.) -Johnson view of Pentagon Papers -Robert F. Kennedy -Robert S. McNamara -Johnson attendance at Democratic Convention -Convention procedures -George S. McGovern -Johnson efforts in 1972 -Vietnam -President's peace program -President and Johnson cooperation -Clifford -Attendance at Lyndon B. Johnson Library -Democratic convention -Administration tactics -State of public morality -Last meeting with North Vietnamese -Kissinger’s Stance -Rationale Ehrlichman entered at 9:31 am. -US presence in Vietnam -Johnson -Revelation to Nguyen Van Thieu President’s conversation with Mansfield -Tone -Ehrlichman -Declassification procedures -World War II -Korean War -Bay of Pigs -Cuban missile confrontation -Political protections 51 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Reflection on previous administrations -Need for continued classification -Relations with foreign governments -Romania -People’s Republic of China [PRC] -Ehrlichman's role -Joint statement -Senate action Conv. No. 527-16 (cont.) -Timing -Tone of President's delivery -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] -Senate actions -Previous administrations’ behavior -Anti-ballistic missile [ABM] treaty -Vietnam negotiations -President's discussions with North Vietnam -Effect of senate action -Phased withdrawal -Drawbacks of declaring a date -Publication of sequence of events -Consulation with Mansfield -Ceasefire objective -Date of ceasefire -Thieu -Imposition of communist government -Breakdown of negotiations -Administration response -North Vietnamese perception -Impact on US policy -Johnson -Options if talks break down -Bombing -Dikes -Haiphong -Rationale -Counter to Senate action -William P. Rogers -Other policy "cards" -Clifford -NFL comments -David K.E. Bruce's demeanor in Paris -Reaction to North Vietnamese 52 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Ronald L. Ziegler's briefing -Other policy cards -Soviet Union reaction -PRC -Chou En-lai interview with Seymour Topping of New York Times -Soviet Union compared with PRC style -PRC remarks concerning President -State Department Formosa statement Conv. No. 527-16 (cont.) -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew's trip to Southeast Asia -Stop in Vietnam -Focus of Agnew's remarks -Pentagon Papers -Senate action -Administration response -Attack -Rationale -Mansfield's problems -Release of documents -Injunction -Nature of revelations -Jacob K. Javits’ attack on John F. Kennedy -Ngo Dinh Diem's assassination -President's comments to Mansfield -Diem's assassination -Henry Cabot Lodge -Kennedy -Johnson's reaction -Attacks on Johnson -Testimony by Johnson administration personnel -Johnson's files -Chicago Sun Times story -Source -Diem's murder -Marguerite Higgins’ book -President's classified information -Laos involvement -Cambodia involvement -Peace negotiations -Reason for classification -Extent of Cambodia bombing -Sun Times -Emergence of other documents 53 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Sensitive periods -World War II -Franklin D. Roosevelt letters -Korean War -Bay of Pigs -Cuban missile confrontation -Fidel Castro -Terms of missile withdrawal Conv. No. 527-16 (cont.) -Adlai E. Stevenson, II -Robert F. Kennedy -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin -Roosevelt -Johnson -President's bureaucratic procedures -Option writing -World War II -Willard Edwards -Walter Trohan -Emergence of stories -Compromise of sensitive areas -Response in kind -Concern for national security Vietnam Peace negotiations -Kissinger’s demeanor -Kissinger’s contact with other parties -Use of bombing -Use of historical record -Protection of Americans -POWs -President’s policy -Use of International Red Cross Mansfield amendment -Ehrlichman -Call to Gerald R. Ford -Ziegler -Informing Mansfield -Hugh Scott -Administration response -Statement by executive -Effect on Times response 54 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) Pentagon Papers -Declassification action by President -Priority of Pentagon Papers -Date of orders -Crawford report -Dignity of executive -Opponents' strength Conv. No. 527-16 (cont.) Mansfield amendment -Reaction of other Democrats -F. Edward Hébert -Stennis -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson -Hébert -Deadline rejection -Hubert H. Humphrey -Effect on Presidential aspirations -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy -Chappaquidick -Edmund S. Muskie proposal -Use of former Presidents' testimony -McNamara's testimony -McGeorge Bundy's testimony -Walt W. Rostow -Gen. Maxwell D. Taylor's article -Justice of war -Defense of administration -Need for response -President's American Medical Association [AMA] comments Drug policy -Reaction by AMA members -Ehrlichman -Drug program -Harold E. Hughes’ request -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe's testimony -Drawbacks -Play on drug theme -President’s speech to the American Association of Retired Persons [AARP] -Calls for support from President 55 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) Pentagon Papers -Profile of President's enemies -Strength -Use of slogans -Relation to Johnson’s policies -Clifford's comments -Previous evening's dinner -William E. Timmons’ poll Conv. No. 527-16 (cont.) -Significance -Changes -View of President's competence -Changes -Public's view of Times Ehrlichman talked with Carl B. Albert at an unknown time between 9:31 am and 11:03 am. [Conversation No. 527-16E] [See Conversation No. 5-134] -"Right to know" focus -Wrong-doing view -Role of former Presidents -Scott -Kissinger visit to Johnson City -Punishment for release of classified material -Preventative measures [End of telephone conversation] [Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator, an unknown woman and Clark MacGregor at an unknown time between 9:31 am and 11:03 am] [Conversation No. 527-16D] [See Conversation No. 5-135] -Timmons’ poll -Overall involvement of President -Credibility of government -Candor of administrations -Solution for Nixon administration 56 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Need to focus on theft of documents -Release of information -President's position -Patrick J. Buchanan -John A. Scali -Congressional role -Ziegler -Kissinger Conv. No. 527-16 (cont.) -Administration response to attacks -Critics -Respect -Congress [End of telephone conversation] -Intellectuals -Morality Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:31 am. Schedule Bull left at an unknown time before 10:00 am Support for the President -Administrations response to attacks -Mansfield -Respect for critics -Bureaucrats -Intellectuals -Dr. Edward C. Banfield's breakfast -Dean of Harvard Medical School -James R. Killian, Jr. -Depth of conversation -1956 election -W. Averell Harriman's television appearance -William E. Jenner's view of Harriman appearance Kissinger left at 10:00 am. -Transmission of documents -MacGregor 57 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Vice President -Kissinger's view of attack on President -Release of more secret materials -Kissinger -Encouragement from the President Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:00 am. Conv. No. 527-16 (cont.) Schedule Bull left at an unknown time before 10:12 am. Administration response to attacks Haldeman and Ehrlichman left at 10:12 am.