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Start Date: 23-Jun-1971 11:04 AM

End Date: 23-Jun-1971 12:45 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Butterfield, Alexander P.Bull, Stephen B.Colson, Charles W.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:00:32

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:32:52

528a.mp3

528b.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:04 am and 12:45 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 528-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 528-1

Date: June 23, 1971
Time: Unknown between 11:04 am and 12:45 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Pentagon Papers
          -Birch E. Bayh, Jr.
          -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield
               -Efforts to aid the President
          -Congressional activity
          -Republican activities
               -House Republican action
          -Henry A. Kissinger's need for documents
          -Release of documents
               -Involvement of administration
                     -Cambodia
                     -Laos
               -Tactical use
               -Subpoena power
                     -Problems
          -Congressional hearings
               -Scope
               -Potential problems
               -Potential advantages
                     -Robert S. McNamara
                           -Questioning by George S. McGovern supporters
                     -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy's role
                     -John F. Kennedy involvement
                           -Ngo Dinh Diem
                           -Commitment of troops in 1961
               -Ronald L. Ziegler
                     -Qualities
                     -Ziegler
                     -Herbert G. Klein

     Schedule
          -Indianapolis
                -Possible visit to farm
                -Timing
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                -Television coverage
     -Chicago
          -Speech to American Association of Retire Persons [AARP]
     -Return to Washington, D.C.
     -Camp David
          -George P. Shultz's request for meeting
                -Attendance
                      -John N. Mitchell
                      -John B. Connally
                      -John D. Ehrlichman
                      -Advantages and disadvantages
                      -Connally's schedule
                      -Martha (Beall) Mitchell
                      -Paul W. McCracken
                -Ehrlichman’s suggestion
                      -Haldeman's schedule

Pentagon Papers
     -Impact on country
     -Cliff Miller
           -Poll results
                 -Regional impact
                 -Impact by educational background
                 -Age group division
           -Awareness of news
                 -Age differences
           -Revelations of Vietnam involvement
                 -Media handling
                 -Media attacks on Lyndon B. Johnson
                 -Media relations with the President
           -President's declassification order
                 -Lawsuit against Franklin D. Roosevelt Library
                 -30 year secrecy ceiling
                 -Kissinger
                 -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                 -1972 Democratic victory
                       -Results
                             -Bay of Pigs
                             -Dominican Republic
                 -Selectivity
           -News coverage
                 -Mansfield's Amendment
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                 -Kissinger's activities
                      -North Vietnamese negotiating strategy
                            -People’s Republic of China [PRC] pressure
                            -US domestic pressure
                      -Relations with Soviet Union
                      -US domestic politics
                            -Impact on foreign relations
                                                                         Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)
     Public relations
          -Reaction to wedding of Tricia Nixon and Edward R.F. Cox

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 11:05 am.

     Ehrlichman’s location

Butterfield left at 11:06 am.

     Public relations
          -Reaction to wedding of Tricia Nixon and Edward R.F. Cox
                 -Memorability
                       -Compared to Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy White House tour
                 -Letters
                 -Sentimental buildups
                       -Fighting instincts
                            -President
                            -Johnson
                       -Media coverage
                            -Spiro T. Agnew
                            -Ziegler

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:06 am.

     Request for Charles W. Colson

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:39 am.

     Public relations
          -Media coverage of Senate vote
                 -Ziegler’s view
                 -Rationale
          -Media coverage
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[Privacy]
[Duration: 3s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7                                           Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)

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               -President's drug message
                     -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
               -President and children
           -Administration tactics
               -Formation of "line"
               -President's involvement

Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 11:05 am.

[Delivery of casualty figures]

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 11:39 am.

     Vietnam casualties
          -Trends
               -Kissinger
               -Cambodian action
               -Indication of success
                     -Agnew's comments

     Schedule
          -Press briefing during Midwest trip
               -Cincinnati
                      -Problems
                      -Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky
                      -St. Louis, Kansas City, and Milwaukee
               -Wisconsin trip
                      -Necessity
                      -Benefits
               -Kansas City
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                     -Compared with St. Louis
                     -Facilities
                           -Hotels
                           -Compared with Rochester
          -Need to visit Missouri
          -Milwaukee, Wisconsin
          -Montana
                                                                     Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)
Colson entered at 11:39 am.

     Pentagon Papers
          -Effect on John F. Kennedy administration
               -Effect on Ted Kennedy
               -Effect on Democrats
               -Boston reaction
                      -Boston Globe article
                            -Assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem
                                  - J. Kennedy
                                  -Henry Cabot Lodge
               -Kennedy and "covert war"
          -Chicago Daily News
          -Chicago Sun Times story
          -Colson's effort
               -Attack on Johnson
               -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                      -Rationale
                            -Election posture
                            -Franklin C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger
               -Attack on John Kennedy
                      -McNamara
                      -Clark M. Clifford
                      -McGeorge Bundy
                      -Johnson's choice of advisers
               -Focus on need for secrecy
                      -Mention of specific papers
                            -New York Times, Washington Post
                      -Focus on classification
               -Focus on Chicago peace group
                      -Distribution of classified stolen documents
                      -Defiance of court order
                      -Relation to May Day demonstrations
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 4s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8                                              Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)

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         -Administration response
               -Benefits of low profile reaction
                     -John A. Scali
         -Polls
               -Results
                     -Approval of President
                     -Gallup poll compared with administration poll
                     -Focus on moral issue of publishing stolen documents
                     -Focus on classified documents
                           -Miller
                     -Lack of awareness
                           -Regional breakdown
                     -Public perception
                     -Publication of papers
                     -Administration’s court action
                     -Rationale
                           -Age of classified material
         -Declassification procedures
               -World War II
                     -Pear Harbor
               -Korean War period
               -Cuban missile crisis
                     -Turkish bases
               -Bay of Pigs invasion
               -Scope
               -Colson and Ehrlichman conversation
                     -Effect on country
               -Selectivity
               -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
         -President's prosecution of Times
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           -Legal necessities
     -Focus on previous administrations
           -Effect on Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Effect on Edmund G. Muskie
           -Effect on Ted Kennedy
           -Effect on Jackson
           -Muskie’s comments
           -Link between Ted and John Kennedy                   Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)
           -Humphrey handling of attack on Johnson administration
                 -Compared to Chappaquiddick
           -Victor Lasky's article
           -Patrick J. Buchanan's article
                 -President's conduct of the War
                 -Mailing to House and Senate
                 -Mailing to dinner guests
     -President's involvement
           -Buchanan
           -Scali
           -William P. Rogers story to Haldeman
           -Rationale for low profile
                 -Alger Hiss case
           -Mood in country
           -Avoidance of escalation
           -Attack on newspapers
                 -Timing
     -Administration response
     -Democratic infighting
           -Lawrence F. O'Brien's role
           -Gale W. McGee and J. William Fulbright
           -McGovern's situation
                 -Attack on main actors
           -James P. Roche’s defense of Johnson
           -William S. White's reaction
           -Stewart J.O. Alsop's article
     -Impact on country

Mansfield Amendment
    -Effect on US foreign policy
          -Impact on negotiations
               -Vietnam
                     -Prisoners of War [POW]
                     -Ceasefire
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                -Administration fortitude
                -F. Edward Hebert
                -Rationale
                -Clark MacGregor
          -President's foreign policy efforts
                -Vietnam
                      -Drop in casualties
                            -Laos                                Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)
                            -Cambodia
          -Public perception

Public relations
     -Support for the President
            -Compared to Johnson
     -President's standing in polls
            -Trends
            -Johnson
            -Reaction to President in person
                  -Effect of wedding
                        -Barbara Walters’ comments
                              -Comparison with coronation
                        -Tricia Nixon Cox pictures
                        -Audience ratings
                              -Network draws
                                    -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
                                    -National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
                  -War in Vietnam
                        -Impact
     -Economy
            -President's contact with retailers
                  -Harry B. Cunningham, Chairman, S.S. Kresge Co.
                  -Gordon M. Metcalf, Chairman, Sears Roebuck and Co.
                  -Edward W. Carter
            -Inflation
            -Unemployment
     -Teamsters Union
            -President’s call to Frank S. Fitzsimmons
            -George T. Bell
            -Voting power
            -George Meany's tactics
            -Political power
            -Prior support for President
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                   -Helen Gahagan Douglas
             -Political courtship
             -President's contact with Fitzsimmons
             -Upcoming report
             -Fitzsimmons’s demeanor
         -American Medical Association [AMA]
             -Support for President
                   -Drug request                             Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)
                   -Political power


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 10s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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                   -Politics compared with profession
                   -Socialized medicine

    Mansfield Amendment
        -Attack on supporters
              -Republicans
                    -Charles H. Percy
                    -Past record
                    -Marlow W. Cook
                    -Ted F. Stevens
        -Effect on negotiations
              -Ziegler's comment
              -Conversation with Mansfield
              -Nguyen Van Thieu
        -Views of Republicans
              -President's strength
                    -Polls
                    -Upcoming "breaks" for administration
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Economy
    -Positive talk on economy
          -Public perception
          -Arthur F. Burns
          -Construction industry statistics
          -Industrial production
          -Retail sales
          -Burns                                          Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)
          -McCracken
          -Connally
          -Shultz
          -Present condition
                -Compared to Great Depression
          -Pressure of money supply
          -Level of employment
          -Vietnam veterans
                -Effect on figures
          -Airframe workers
                -Areas affected
                      -Southern California
                      -Pacific northwest
                      -Wichita, Kansas
    -Future growth areas
          -Seattle, Washington
          -Southern California
          -Florida
          -Rationale
                -Retirement
          -Arizona and Nevada
                -Skill level
          -Southern California
                -Crowding
                -Compared to New York
                      -President’s recollections
                      -Nassau
                      -Westchester
                      -New Jersey suburbs
                -Empty land
                      -Types
                -Population
    -Confidence in economy
    -Dwight D. Eisenhower
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             -Related to world affairs


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 5m 8s ]                                          Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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    Domestic affairs
        -Charles B. Kuralt
              -Nicholas P. Thimmesch column
              -Popular opinion
        -Melville Stephens
        -Perception of the people
              -Atlantic City trip
              -Problems in US
                     -Media contributions
              -State of the Nation
                     -Vietnam
                     -Urban unrest
                     -Police support
                           -Black policeman
              -President’s supporters
        -President's schedule
              -Play to particular groups
                     -Focus on supporters
                           -Youth


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2m 9s ]
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END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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     Mansfield Amendment
         -Rationale for votes
               -Effect on negotiations                          Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)

     Pentagon Papers
          -Furor
          -Focus on John Kennedy and Johnson period
          -Focus on theft of papers
               -Rationale
               -Publication
               -Daniel Ellsberg
                      -Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
                      -Poll findings
                      -Method of removal of papers
          -Involvement of peace group
               -Infiltration
               -Richard H. Ichord
          -Congressional action
               -House Committee on Un-American activities
               -John L. McClellan
               -Phillip M. Crane
               -Jack F. Kemp
                      -Treason charge

Colson left at 12:41 pm.

     Citizens Committee
           -Use of money for supporting revenue sharing
                -Request of citizens committee for money
                -Connection to campaign

     Schedule
          -Postal celebration ceremony
               -Schools of thought
               -Winton M. (“Red”) Blount dinner
               -Robert H. Finch
               -Focus on administration accomplishments
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                -Ray Grace
           -Focus on a few issues
                -Drugs
                -Ehrlichman
           -Postal celebration
                -Blount plans

     Ambassadorships                                              Conv. No. 528-1 (cont.)
         -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
               -Ambassador to Brussels
               -Former Ambassador to Ireland [Winston] Guest
                     -Raymond R. Guest
                           -Campaign contributions
                                -John Eisenhower
                                -Wife
                                -Herbert W. Kalmbach
         -Political office
               -Related to campaign contributions
                     -Amount
                     -Fred J. Russell
                     -Length of Ambassadorships
                     -Charles H. Bluhdorn contribution
                           -Sugar quotas

Haldeman left at 12:45 pm.