Conversation: 572-012
Prev: 572-011 Next: 572-013Start Date: 14-Sep-1971 3:37 PM
End Date: 14-Sep-1971 4:40 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Mansfield, Michael J. ("Mike"); Scott, Hugh; MacGregor, Clark;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:29:54
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:33:53
NARA Description:
On September 14, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Michael J. ("Mike") Mansfield, Hugh Scott, and Clark MacGregor met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:37 pm to 4:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 572-012 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 572-12
Date: September 14, 1971
Time: 3:37 pm - 4:40 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Michael J. Mansfield, Hugh Scott, and Clark MacGregor.
Greetings
-Trips
-Seating arrangements
Mansfield's and Scott's European trip
-Paris
-Parliamentary meeting
-Soviets
-Adoption of Soviet amendments and resolutions
-Length of stay
-Soviet Union
-Bulgaria
-Romania
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Interviews
-Mikhail Suslov
-Message from Nicolae Ceausescu
-Suslov
-Space exploration
-US-Soviet relations
-US role worldwide
Scheduling
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman's conversation with Mansfield
-The President's trip
-Montana
-Anchorage
-Weather
-Dates
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Mansfield's availability
-Departures
-Montana
-Portland
-Mansfield's role
-Arrangements
-Scheduled stops
-Kalispell, Montana
-Libby Dam construction
-Location
-Length of trip
-The President's schedule
-The President's schedule
-Portland
-Kalispell, Montana
-Helicopters
-Flight to Libby Dam
-Hungry Horse
-Glacier National Park
-The President's visit
-Libby Dam
-Dedication ceremony
-Newspaper story
-Reservoir
-Rexford, Montana
-Canada
-Treaty arrangement for construction
-British Columbia
-Dislocation of population
The President's schedule
-Montana
-Portland
-Anchorage
-Length of trip
-Mamie G.D. Eisenhower
-Birthday
-Fundraising
-Eisenhower College
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
-Television show, "A Visit with the First Lady"
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-American Broadcasting Company [ABC]
Domestic issues
-Tax proposals
-Senate
-House of Representatives
-Phase II
-Bi-partisan Congressional leadership meeting
-Date
-Attendees
-Committees
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Speech
-Pennsylvania
-State legislature
-Note of regret to President
-Wright Patman
-Possible meeting with the President
-Russell B. Long
-The President's meetings on economic policy
-Labor, management
-Agriculture, consumer and business groups
-Importance
-Effectiveness
-Bi-partisan, voluntary cooperation
-Long
-Puerto Rico
-Schedule
-Congressional session
-Welfare reform
-Revenue sharing
-House of Representatives
-Health bill
-Government reorganization
-John L. McClellan
-Chet Holifield
-Energy resources
-Army Corps of engineers
-Libby Dam
-Bureau of Reclamation
-Abraham A. Ribicoff
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Charles H. Percy
-Support
-Holifield
-Jacob K. Javits
-Policy committee meeting
-Date
-The President's economic proposals
-Tom [Surname unknown], unknown person
-List
-Effect of the President's economic action
-Appropriation bills
-Welfare reform
-Revenue sharing
-Government reorganization
-Mansfield's relationship with the President's administration
-Senate
-Presidential candidates
-Legislation
-Saigon
Military service draft extension bill
-The President's previous meeting with Gordon L. Allott
-Attendance
-Republican Congressional leadership meeting
-Allott
-Mansfield amendment addition
-Senate version
-House version
-House of Representatives
-Situation
-F. Edward Hebert
-Leslie C. Arends
-Conference
-Concessions
-Delays
-Hebert
-Actions
-Motion to table
-Military pay
-Senate amendment
-Filibuster
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Participation
-Cloture
-Votes
-Mansfield's action
-Previous conversation with Scott
-John C. Stennis
-Military procurement
-Cost of war
-Taxes
-Budget
-Filibuster
-Military pay
-President’s comments to Allott
-Lower ranks
-Higher ranks
-Draft
-US role worldwide
-Soviet Union
-East-West relations
-Developments
-People’s Republic of China [PRC] visit
-Arms talks
-Leak
-Accidental War Treaty
-Announcement
-Gerard C. Smith
-Unknown General
-Air Force
Foreign relations
-Dangers of leaks
-Soviet Union
-PRC announcement
-Safeguarding of confidentiality
-Reciprocity between nations
-Nikita S. Khrushchev's remarks
-Agreement on announcement
-Soviets
-Andrei A. Gromyko
-Signing ceremony
-Significance of agreement
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Accidental wars
-Smaller countries
-Development of nuclear capabilities
-Accelerated hotline
-Future developments
Military service draft extension bill
-Effects of passage of draft extension bill
-Defense establishment
-Need for draft
-Reduction of armed forces
-Mutual basis
-Soviets
-Unilateral reductions
-Past experiences
-Arms control
-European security conference
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Maintenance of negotiating position
-Relations with the Soviet Union
-Present status
-PRC
-Negotiations
-Smith
-Missiles
-Future of Mutual and Balanced Force Reductions [MBFR]
-European security
-Arms control
-US position
-Failure in passage of draft bill
-Talks with soviets
-Defense budgets
-Passage
-Negotiations
-Filibuster
-Motion to table
-Return to conference
-Filibuster
-Cloture
-Significant date
-Negotiations
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Effects of passage of bill
-The President's meeting with Mansfield and Scott
Foreign relations
-Forthcoming actions
-Soviets
-Diplomatic activity
-Pierre Trudeau
-Call to the President
-Announcement of the President’s forthcoming trip to Canada
-Timing
-Soviet visit
-Secretary of State [William P. Rogers]
-Vice President [Spiro T. Agnew]
-US
-Handling of relations with other types of governments
-The President
-Kissinger
-Negotiations for the President's visit to the PRC
-The White House
-The President, Chou En-lai, Mao Tse-tung
-The Soviet Union
-Diplomatic relations
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
-Kissinger
-Rogers
-Senate Foreign Relations Committee meeting
-Five-Year Plan
-Unknown person
-Javits
-Melvin R. Laird
-Meeting with J. William Fulbright
-Scott's talk with MacGregor
-Possible actions
-Laird's statement
-Government groups
-Contingency planning
-Studies
-Pentagon Papers
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Department of Defense
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
International monetary policy
-Mansfield's trip
-Scandinavian countries
-France
-Italy
-Morocco
-Allies' reaction to US economic policy
-The President's previous speech, September 9, 1971
-Kenneth E. BeLieu, Thomas C. Korologos
-Rogers
-Economic action
-Quotation of the President's comments
-White House meeting for Congressional leadership
-Perceptions
-The President's speech in Springfield Illinois
-Extension of 90-day measures
-Flotation of currencies
-Mansfield's talk with Paul A. Volcker
-Rome, Italy
-Allies' reaction
-US politics
-Opposition
-Support for the President's economic program
-Need for program
-Situation of the dollar
-France
-Effect of Mansfield statement
-Allies' concerns
-West German view
-US economic measures
-US actions
-Foreign pressures
-Return to old system
-Modifications
-Future crisis
-Public posture
-Temporary measures
-Changes required
-Temporary compared to permanent solution
-Time required to achieve permanent
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
Solution
-Japanese
-Compared with Europeans
-Negotiations
-Actions on the yen
-Business barriers
-American businesses in Japan
-US bargaining position
-Europe
-Germans
-French
-British
-Dutch
-Swiss
-National interests
-European action
-Effect on US bargaining position
-US position
-US interests
-Bargaining
-Great Britain
-Entrance into the common market
-Economic unity
-Population
-US role
-Protectionism
-President’s view
-National interest
-World stability
-Bargaining position
-Europeans and Japanese
-Germans
-Latin America
-Mexico
-Africa
-South Asia
-Bretton Woods
-Latin America
-Treatment in comparison to rest of the world
-Foreign aid exemption
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Amount
-Foreign aid
-Amount
-Alliance for progress
-Javits's question at leaders meeting, September 14, 1971
-New York City
-Washington, DC
-Effects from international traders', bankers', and Europeans' actions
-Japanese actions
-US past actions
-Economic world
-Changes
-Need for new measures
-US actions
-Temporary measures
-Permanent solution
-Duration
-Volcker's and Arthur F. Burns's views
-The President's and John B. Connally's reaction
-US interests
-Trade
-American market
-Size
-Agricultural products
-The President's comments to farm leaders
-Surcharge
-Response by other countries
-Productivity
-Competition
-Negotiations
-Marshall Plan
-Reciprocal trade
-Changes in the world
-US position
-National interests
-Trade competition
-Austria
-Marshall Plan
-Machinery
-Purchase
-Switzerland
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Philadelphia
-Austrian Chancellor Bruno Kreisky
-Comment about the US
-Repayment
-Internationalism and isolationism
-Labor unions
-President’s previous meeting with labor leaders
-Surcharge
-Competition
-Cheap labor
-Japan
-Past position
-Free traders
-Present position
-Protectionists
-Increased productivity
-Previous meeting
-Robert C. McInturf [?]
-Association of Farmers' Cooperatives
-California
-New labor contract
-Automatic equipment
-Tomatoes
-Eli Whitney
-Cotton gin
-American agriculture
-Charles M. Teague, Burt L. Talcott, Robert B. Mathias
-Santa Barbara, Fresno, Salinas
-Legislation
-Transportation industry
-Strikes
-National interests
-Impact on agriculture
-The President's proposal [?]
-Dock strike in Hawaii
-Effect on Hawaii
-Railroad strikes
-Truckers
-Changes needed
-Future situation
-Congress
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
Foreign relations
-Mansfield's meeting with King Hassan II
-Morocco
-Internal situation
-Message to the President
-Greetings
-Possible visit to US
-Middle East
-Other attendees
-Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, Presidents of the Chamber of
Representatives and the Chamber of Chancellors
-Ernest F. (“Fritz”) Hollings
-Nixon and Rogers's policy on the Middle East
-Mansfield’s support
-US involvement
-Support for peace efforts
-The President's action
-Democrats
-Support for President’s policy
-Hollings
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-Israel
-Negotiating position
-Relations with the US
-Scott’s support
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Military aid
-Jewish community
-Influence
-Economic position
-Internal situation
-"Black Panthers"
-Asiatic Jews
-Opposition
-Younger Jews
-Differences
-Rogers's view
-Mansfield’s and Scott’s trips
-Compared with older generation
-David Ben-Gurion
-1967 war
-Gen. Moshe Dayan
-Golda Meir
-Nationalists
-Menachem begin
-Meir
-Vice Premier
-Congress's relations to Israeli government
-Strategy
-Jordanian crisis
-US response
-Moroccan officials
-Morocco
-Situation
North Africa
-The President's visits
-Morocco
-Land of contrasts
-Casablanca
-Marrakesh
-Winston S. Churchill
-Compared to Montana
-Tourism
-Spain
The President's schedule
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 572-12 (cont.)
-Trip to Montana
-Oregon
Military service draft extension bill
-Importance, timing
Mansfield, Scott and MacGregor left at 4:40 pm.