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Conversation: 578-006

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Start Date: 24-Sep-1971 11:44 AM

End Date: 24-Sep-1971 12:05 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Magruder, William M.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:35:09

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:57:13

578a.mp3

578b.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 24, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and William M. Magruder met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:44 am to 12:05 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 578-006 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 578-6

Date: September 24, 1971
Time: 11:44 am - 12:05 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and William M. Magruder.

     Greetings

     Progress report

     Unknown person

     New technology opportunities program
         - Supersonic Transport [SST]
              -Japan
                    -1972 US elections
              -US position
                    -Future plans
         -Objective

     President's schedule
          -Time

     New technology opportunities
         -US national needs
         -Magruder's research
              -Congressional study
                    -International transfer of technology
         -National Aeronautics and Space Council
              -Position for future developments
                    -SST
                          -Date
         -Trade organizations
              -Letters from Magruder
                    -Type of response
                          -Ideas
                          -James T. Lynn
         -Government initiatives
              -Tax incentives
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 578-6 (cont.)


             -Congress
             -Research and Development [R&D]
-Innovation of industry in government
-Task forces
       -Scientific and engineering
             -Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.
       -Anti-trust laws
             -Lewis A. Engman
             -John N. Mitchell
             -John B. Connally
                   -Report
       -Industry and government
             -Available initiatives
                   -Economics
                         -Early depreciation
                               -Paul W. McCracken
                               -Solomon [Surname unknown]
       -Impact on labor law practices
             -Examples
             -Effect
             -George Meany
             -Jim Lewin [?]
       -International transfer
-Initiatives
       -Assistant Secretaries
       -Type of initiatives
             -Technological resources
             -Human resources
             -Natural resources
             -Community and economic development
       -Approaching Congress
-Date
       -Report
-Technology
       -Needs
-Gen B. A. Schriever and Harold A. Geneen
       -Management
       -Financing
       -Blue Ribbon Council
-Industrial input
       -Results
                                   38

                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 578-6 (cont.)


           -Timing
-Administration's position
     -National response
     -Strategy
           -Cancer
                  -Amount of money
                  -Actions taken
                        -Elliot L. Richardson and Department of Health, Education and
                              Welfare [HEW]
     -Bureaucrats
           -Former, traditional procedure of action
     -Strategy
           -Methods
                  -Psychological effect
                  -Comparison to traditional procedure
                        -Manhattan Project
                        -Moon shot
     -Idea of new agency
           -Possible impact
                  -Idea of taking action
                  -Comparison to traditional government agencies
           -Ehrlichman
     -Subsidizing American industry
           -Competition with Japan
           -Tax policy
           -Initiatives
     -Responses from various agencies
           -Department of Treasury
           -Department of Commerce
     -Law enforcement
           -J. Edgar Hoover
           -Arrests
                  -Reactions
           -Heroin bust
                  -Amount of money
                  -Washington Star
                  -Press response
                        -Location in paper
-National Air Space Administration [NASA], Atomic Energy Commission [AEC],
     Department of Defense [DOD]
     -System management capabilities
                               39

              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                   Conv. No. 578-6 (cont.)


     -Feasibility
     -Market and public needs
     -Management capabilities
          -Manhattan and Apollo Projects
     -James C. Fletcher
     -George M. Low
          -Systems management initiatives
     -Possible future situation
          -Comparison to Apollo
          -Samuel C. Phillips
                 -Air Force
          -NASA's capabilities
                 -Experience
-Department of Transportation [DOT]/NASA package
     -SST
     -Other nations' plans
          -Concorde
          -A-300 Airbus
          -Mercure[?]
          -Boeing
                 -Italians
          -General Electric [GE]
                 -Jet civil engine
                        -France
                              -Senegman [?]
          -Pratt and Whitney
          -Japan
     -Type of program
          -NASA, DOT, Commerce Department
          -Noise reduction
          -Staff
          -Package
          -SST
          -Civil aviation industry
          -William Proxmire
          -Gaylord Nelson
          -Democrats
                 -Unemployment
          -New possibilities
          -Deadline
                 -Date
                                             40

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 578-6 (cont.)


          -Education and tax reform
               -Education costs
                      -Relationship to rebate of property taxes
                            -California case
               -Employment
                      -Number of people
               -Department of Treasury
                      -Value-added tax
                      -Response in numbers
                      -Inclusion of program
                            -Taxes
                      -Edwin S. Cohen
                      -Conversation between Ehrlichman and Connally
          -US position in world
               -SST
                      -Question of technical advancement
               -Exports
                      -Percentage of Gross National Product [GNP]
                            -Comparison to Canada, Japan and Great Britain
               -Type of market in comparison to rest of world
                      -Japan
                      -Europe
                            -Impact on US market
               -Competition
                      -Exports
          -Scientific community
               -Problems
                      -Inertia
                      -Regulators
                      -Basic research
               -National Science Foundation
                      -Director, Dr. William D. McElroy
                            -Political appointment
                            -Possible people
                                  -David

     Appointments
         -Supreme Court

Ehrlichman and Magruder left at 12:05 pm.
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 578-6 (cont.)