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Conversation: 578-009

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Start Date: 24-Sep-1971 12:23 PM

End Date: 24-Sep-1971 12:32 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Bull, Stephen B.Naranjo, Michael ("White Antelope")Underwood, Larry (Mrs.)Johnson, Donald E.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:14:25

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:28:44

578a.mp3

578b.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 24, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Michael ("White Antelope") Naranjo, Mrs. Larry Underwood, and Donald E. Johnson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:23 pm to 12:32 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 578-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 578-9

Date: September 24, 1971
Time: 12:23 pm - 12:32 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull, Michael "White Antelope" Naranjo, Mrs. Michael
"Desert Flower" Naranjo, Mrs. Larry Underwood, and Donald E. Johnson.

     Greetings
          -White House

     Introductions

     Presentation to the President
          -Indian heritage
          -Sculpture of Pueblo Indian dancer
                -Wax mold
                      -Bronze
                -Naranjo's background
                      -Ability as artist
                      -Naranjo's family

     Art
           -President's background
                 -Abilities in school

     Press photographs
           -Arrangements

Members of the press entered at an unknown time after 12:23 pm.

[Photographs]

     Introductions
           -Frank Cormier
                -Associated Press [AP]
           -Helen A. Thomas
                -United Press International [UPI]
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 578-9 (cont.)


Indian sculpture
     -Method of construction
           -Emotions involved
                 -Indian dancing
                 -Continuous procedure
           -Wax mold
                 -Period of time of planning
                 -Number of hours
           -Indian dance
                 -Observation by Naranjo
                       -Reservation
           -Work
                 -Weight
           -President's knowledge of art
                 -Indian sculpture
                       -Indian dancer
           -Naranjo
                 -Service to country
                       -Sacrifice
                 -Sculpture
                 -Indian heritage
                 -Handicap
                       -Determination
                       -Creativity
                       -Strength of character
                 -Example
                 -Continuation of work
                 -Themes
                       -Biblical figures
                       -Greek mythology
                       -Indian heritage

Pakistan sculpture
     -Age
     -Profile
     -Greek Buddha
           -Gift from King of Afghanistan
                 -Age
     -History
           -Greek culture
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 578-9 (cont.)


     Presidential gifts
          -Money clip
                -Presidential seal
          -Cuff links
                -US seal
          -US seal
                -Oval Office ceiling and rug
                       -Stars
                       -Eagle
                       -Palm
                -Cuff clip
                -Money clip

     Indian heritage
          -President's coach at Whittier College
                -Wallace (“Chief”) Newman
                      -University of Southern California [USC]

     General conversation

Naranjo, et al. left at an unknown time before 12:32 pm.

     Michael Naranjo
         -Face
         -Sensitivity of hands
         -Thomas
               -The President’s remarks

Bull and Johnson left at 12:32 pm.